Ceiling roses

4 Jan 2016
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I want to change 2 old ceiling roses. I've done others but they were straightforward as the wires inside matched the diagram in Collins DIY book but these 2 are different. In one rose there are 4 grey cables entering it. One of the grey cables just has a red wire going from it to the live terminal. The other 3 grey cables each have a black wire going to the neutral terminal and a green one to the earth terminal. The other rose is the same except it only has 3 grey cables. I was expecting there to be live wires in all the grey cables.
How do I find out which is the mains, the switch and the loop cables?
The new roses have the terminals all in a row - 3 neutral, 3 loop and then 2 live, one for the black switch wire and one for the brown light wire.
Could anyone tell me how to wire them correctly?
Thanks for any advice.
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Yes. Take pictures before you disconnect, then we can tell you easy peasey. If you just disconnect and no pic, then you'll need a day and a multimeter. Or an electrician.
I haven't been able to get a decent photo of either rose as you can see. This is the 2nd rose plus a diagram of it below. There is a photo of the new rose too. The first rose is the same as the 2nd
but has a 4th grey cable with green and black wires like cables 2 and 3.
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From your diagram it looks easy.

Greens to the single brass terminal.

Blacks to were the blue is.
Red to where the brown is.
Middle Loop empty
Thanks AndyPRK. Does it not matter that the loop terminals will be empty?

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