Confronting racism. BBC report on a very brave lady

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You lot don't half bang on about the term "racism" :roll:
I thought it would make a change from all those that bang on about immigration, muslim, etc. :wink:

Maybe if immigration hadn't been forced on the population, 'racism' wouldn't be a problem. :idea:

When we were kids, you could call a spade a spade, because they weren't around to hear us. If we could return to this happy situation, I think your 'racism' thing would sort itself out Hanger.

I don't dislike squirrels, but if they invade my loft, start multiplying and interfere with my life, well there just may be a problem. (Don't worry, no squirrels were harmed in the making of this sentence. :wink: )

Still, better to have squirrels in your loft than bats in the belfry, eh Hanger? :lol:
 
Maybe if immigration hadn't been forced on the population, 'racism' wouldn't be a problem. :idea:

When we were kids, you could call a spade a spade, because they weren't around to hear us. If we could return to this happy situation, I think your 'racism' thing would sort itself out Hanger.

I don't dislike squirrels, but if they invade my loft, start multiplying and interfere with my life, well there just may be a problem. (Don't worry, no squirrels were harmed in the making of this sentence. :wink: )

Still, better to have squirrels in your loft than bats in the belfry, eh Hanger? :lol:

I wish I'd said that!

I always find it interesting that, whenever the word 'racist' crops up, it is only with reference to 'certain ethnic groups'. You never seem to hear it used when people talk about Irish, Jews, Sikhs, Hindus, Chinese, and so on.

I wonder why.
 
When we were kids, you could call a spade a spade, because they weren't around to hear us. If we could return to this happy situation, I think your 'racism' ....... :lol:

A strange sort of principles that depend on whether others are around to hear or witness them; or not.

I would not tolerate my children disparaging others just because they are out of earshot. But those are my principles.

Why encourage fear and ignorance because of difference?

Myself and many other posters will never agree on this, but it is a source of bemusement to me that bigots get so offended when they called bigots. The principles seem to wither under scrutiny. Why get offended by being called racist, it you believe it is a good mindset to have?

But that particular instance of 'calling a spade a spade' doesn't warrant the same tolerance , does it?
 
I wish I'd said that!

I always find it interesting that, whenever the word 'racist' crops up, it is only with reference to 'certain ethnic groups'. You never seem to hear it used when people talk about Irish, Jews, Sikhs, Hindus, Chinese, and so on.

I wonder why.

JBR,
What is that based on?

Do you really believe that those groups have not been used when discussing racism?

The 'No Blacks, No Dogs, No Irish' signs are standard fare in the history of racism. Anti- Semitism is a particular form of racism, and it is the only the ignorance of racists that lumps Hindus and Sikhs in with 'p@kis', although '*******s' and 'w@gs' do get the occasional airing here.
 
I wish I'd said that!

I always find it interesting that, whenever the word 'racist' crops up, it is only with reference to 'certain ethnic groups'. You never seem to hear it used when people talk about Irish, Jews, Sikhs, Hindus, Chinese, and so on.

I wonder why.

JBR,
What is that based on?
It's based on JBR's short-term and selective memory.
 
You lot don't half bang on about the term "racism" :roll:
I thought it would make a change from all those that bang on about immigration, muslim, etc. :wink:

Maybe if immigration hadn't been forced on the population, 'racism' wouldn't be a problem. :idea:
Are you blaming someone or something else for your racist attitude?


When we were kids, you could call a spade a spade, because they weren't around to hear us. If we could return to this happy situation, I think your 'racism' thing would sort itself out Hanger.
Ae you seriously suggesting that either we should allow racism to flourish and then it would die, or, if we ignore it, it will go away?


I don't dislike squirrels, but if they invade my loft, start multiplying and interfere with my life, well there just may be a problem. (Don't worry, no squirrels were harmed in the making of this sentence. :wink: )
I don't believe what you've just said. Squirrels are vermin.
You need to sort yourself out.
 
I wish I'd said that!

I always find it interesting that, whenever the word 'racist' crops up, it is only with reference to 'certain ethnic groups'. You never seem to hear it used when people talk about Irish, Jews, Sikhs, Hindus, Chinese, and so on.

I wonder why.

JBR,
What is that based on?

Do you really believe that those groups have not been used when discussing racism?

The 'No Blacks, No Dogs, No Irish' signs are standard fare in the history of racism. Anti- Semitism is a particular form of racism, and it is the only the ignorance of racists that lumps Hindus and Sikhs in with 'p@kis', although '*******s' and 'w@gs' do get the occasional airing here.

Let me help you.

Firstly, I should have explained that I am basing this on the present: what is happening now. Yes, of course there have been instances in the past of anti-Semitism and 'no Irish' signs on hotel doors. For the record, let me say that I cannot see why there was any reason to dislike Jews or Irish people.

Secondly, my sentence 'I wonder why' what rhetorical, of course. The reason the word 'racism' seems to crop up so often these days is because certain people keep making demands on the rest of society (which often seem to be met by the powers-that-be), whereas others (my list above) are happy to keep quiet and just get on with their lives. Others have almighty chips on their shoulders and, again, make accusations that they are being treated unfairly. Whether this is true or not, I just wonder why other people (my list again) don't feel that they are being persecuted. Perhaps it is a case of the emptiest vessels shouting the loudest.
 
I wish I'd said that!

I always find it interesting that, whenever the word 'racist' crops up, it is only with reference to 'certain ethnic groups'. You never seem to hear it used when people talk about Irish, Jews, Sikhs, Hindus, Chinese, and so on.

I wonder why.

JBR,
What is that based on?

Do you really believe that those groups have not been used when discussing racism?

The 'No Blacks, No Dogs, No Irish' signs are standard fare in the history of racism. Anti- Semitism is a particular form of racism, and it is the only the ignorance of racists that lumps Hindus and Sikhs in with 'p@kis', although '*******s' and 'w@gs' do get the occasional airing here.

Let me help you.

Firstly, I should have explained that I am basing this on the present: what is happening now. Yes, of course there have been instances in the past of anti-Semitism and 'no Irish' signs on hotel doors. For the record, let me say that I cannot see why there was any reason to dislike Jews or Irish people.

Secondly, my sentence 'I wonder why' what rhetorical, of course. The reason the word 'racism' seems to crop up so often these days is because certain people keep making demands on the rest of society (which often seem to be met by the powers-that-be), whereas others (my list above) are happy to keep quiet and just get on with their lives. Others have almighty chips on their shoulders and, again, make accusations that they are being treated unfairly. Whether this is true or not, I just wonder why other people (my list again) don't feel that they are being persecuted. Perhaps it is a case of the emptiest vessels shouting the loudest.

JBR,

It's probably more to do with whoever is getting the brunt of it at the time. The focus switches from group to group over time.

If you were Jewish, Irish, Black, Asian you would have got more abuse at some times than others.

I remember when Kosovans were the big threat to our civilisation, then it seemed to become Romanians and the Poles. I also remember 'dirty Northeners' being the lowest of the low on bulding sites in London.

In the future it will be someone else.

So, yes I see that at the present it may seem one group is making the most noise - but how much of that is a reaction to being the latest group to be targeted?


And I do agree that some people have a chip on their shoulder - but again if you come up against prejudice often enough you probably tend to expect it. Does a reaction to abuse excuse the abuse?

Can we know how your list feel about being persecuted(or not) or are we making assumptions becasue we don't hear them.

The Chinese in NI (for example) were well known for keeping their heads down and 'getting on with it', but that doesn't mean they were not subject to intolerance.

And when it comes down to it, just because we don't hear the Irish going on about discrimination now, that doesn't excuse the treatment some got in the past - so is it relevant to say that their silence now puts others in a bad light?

Should groups just grin and bear it until another bunch become the scapegoats des nos jours?

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OK, let's look at it another way.

Do you have any theories why 'racists' are presently picking on muslims and black people, yet not on other ethnic minorities?

Surely, there must be a reason why they are being singled out.
 
OK, let's look at it another way.

Do you have any theories why 'racists' are presently picking on muslims and black people, yet not on other ethnic minorities?

Surely, there must be a reason why they are being singled out.

I will think about this, JBR, as my initial reaction is simply to compare that to looking for the reason a bully has to pick on their victim.

In other words, does the person on the receiving end of racism deserve it becasue they are black or muslim?
 
OK, let's look at it another way.

Do you have any theories why 'racists' are presently picking on muslims and black people, yet not on other ethnic minorities?

Surely, there must be a reason why they are being singled out.

I will think about this, JBR, as my initial reaction is simply to compare that to looking for the reason a bully has to pick on their victim.

In other words, does the person on the receiving end of racism deserve it becasue they are black or muslim?

No, I'd like to know why these two groups are, apparently, being singled out. Did I suggest that they deserve it? I await any suggestions.
 
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