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[crystal ball]

In my line of work I have experienced businesses I work for increasing the workforce, investing in new plant, working more overtime, so what do you make of that andy?

 

[noseall]

It's not made up though. I've experienced, in my own line of work, and have seen in other business, shortages, lower production and lowered work ethic due to the scamdemic. I wouldn't believe you if you said that you had not experienced similar - unless you lived somewhere miles away from civilisation and were either super-rich or in receipt of public money. Some business have received a boost because of it, like Amazon, but generally speaking the pandemic has done massive damage to industry everywhere.

The Tories have been massively increasing public debt since they came to power. Nothing new during the Covid years.

 

[ajohn]

But we were promised quick and easy trade deals and would instantly take back control of fishing and that a raft of trade deals were ready to go, come 29th March 2019.

You forgot the £billions that would pour into the country. I'm not so sure about that. What form will it take and how will it be used? Will it happen? Will it be more foreign ownership?

The in and out arguers tend to forget facts. Being in the EU has been beneficial to the UK The other aspect is we still have a trade deal with them. The rules are still the same apart from private individuals. Buying has been mostly blocked for them but not for business using facilities that have always been there. There are slight added complications. More for NI on movement within the UK.

One thing that concerned me about the vote was people remembering the olden days and blaming change on the EU. There is one single fact that caused a lot of change. This is it. I've highlighted the warning

Exchange controls in the UK were abolished by the Conservative Government of Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher in October 1979. Announcing their removal, Chancellor of the Exchequer Geoffrey Howe said: "They have now outlived their usefulness. The essential condition for maintaining confidence in our currency is a Government determined to maintain the right monetary and fiscal policies. That we shall do. It is right to give an additional degree of freedom to allow the pound to operate in the world unrestricted by restraints of this kind.” [2]
Abolition was welcomed by business, and criticised by the opposition Labour Party. Nicholas Goodison, chairman of the London Stock Exchange, said that exchange controls had “impeded the development of British commerce throughout the world and so distorted our economy. They have done a lot of harm to London as one of the leading financial centres.” Conversely, the abolition of exchange controls was criticised by Labour's Shadow Chancellor Denis Healey, who warned of the danger of increased foreign investment at the expense of British industry.

It allowed British investors and companies to move money where ever they fancied. Cheaper labour means more profit as far as companies are concerned . The others are looking for a better return. Productivity wasn't too good here mainly due to ever reducing need for people to work in manufacture for the same output. Some companies had no chance of competing with imports. Even ports needed to change. They did employ a lot of people once.

Asset stripping of one sort or another became popular. Competitive buy outs and etc.

This is the crux of what went on like it or not. Did the controls have to go - probably yes as they are only ever used in difficult situations and do interfere with trade. Manufacture would need to start producing a lot more to keep employment levels up as well as productivity and that aspect needs a lot more investment that has to show a return. Some eastern countries went that way. Japan for instance.Their apple cart fell over eventually. Most run into problems in the end as much of the west has to some extent already. China in some respects is the current "problem" as far as export is concerned. But do you want to buy the goods you can now compared with earlier times? That is the other side of the coin.

 

[Deleted member 292770]

It's not made up though. I've experienced, in my own line of work, and have seen in other business, shortages, lower production and lowered work ethic due to the scamdemic. I wouldn't believe you if you said that you had not experienced similar - unless you lived somewhere miles away from civilisation and were either super-rich or in receipt of public money. Some business have received a boost because of it, like Amazon, but generally speaking the pandemic has done massive damage to industry everywhere.

wife works in the college. It’s still not back to normal and the young people ,and staff are out of the habit of learning and teaching.
It’s become so disjointed , it’s borderline innefectual.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

wife works in the college. It’s still not back to normal and the young people ,and staff are out of the habit of learning and teaching.
It’s become so disjointed , it’s borderline innefectual.

Exactly. Employers have gone soft on managing sick days for fear of being seen to be insensitive to covid. It was reported yesterday (by the loony left BBC as well as the allegedly right-wing Daily Express) that the Dover crisis is due to 6 out of 14 French border staff not turning up for work. I wonder what their reasons were?

 

[securespark]

I also think the EU will be the authors of their own destruction.

Lots of people have said this, many times. But it doesn't appear to be happening.

 

[Notch7]

I did not vote for a bunch of European governments to morph the members of the Economic Community into a community that took control of the laws, rules and courts of the members states of the Economic Community

Im not sure how giving control to a corrupt UK government which basically operates for vested self interest is going to help you or the rest of the public.

Brexit was merely a vehicle to give power to disaster capitalists, right wing libertarian groups, hedge fund managers, fossil fuel interests and anybody else that wants to make money out of deregulation and the chaos of brexit.

 

[Notch7]

Four years were spent arguing. We're only two years into it. I expected it to take 10 years for the bitter taste to leave the greedy mouths of the EU puppet masters. There’s a time to go yet. Calm down,

It’s rather amusing how Tory voters fall for the “jam tomorrow” propaganda.

Liz Truss says she will turn the UK into a high wage high skilled fast growing economy……so why didn’t the Tories start that 12 years ago


Mottie you are so easily fooled.

 

[Vinty]

Galileo was the EU's navigation system. Anyone who joins the EU will benefit, anyone who leaves will not

Im not sure how giving control to a corrupt UK government which basically operates for vested self interest is going to help you or the rest of the public.

Brexit was merely a vehicle to give power to disaster capitalists, right wing libertarian groups, hedge fund managers, fossil fuel interests and anybody else that wants to make money out of deregulation and the chaos of brexit.

It isn't just right wingers who support Brexit.
Millions of socialists support Brexit.
Why is that.?

 

[fillyboy]

It isn't just right wingers who support Brexit.
Millions of socialists support Brexit.
Why is that.?

And the reason the red wall seats deserted Labour at the last election.

 

[ajohn]

It was reported yesterday (by the loony left BBC as well as the allegedly right-wing Daily Express) that the Dover crisis is due to 6 out of 14 French border staff not turning up for work. I wonder what their reasons were?

Some one from the port authority was also interviewed saying that they do need to put more handling facilities in and also more work on access roads. ie Too many people to cope with.

A little different to the not our fault blame game. It seems trucks decided to use the wrong access as well. They really will have helped as the checks are different. Blame games never give a clear answer even when there is an enquiry. I'm thinking of flammable insulation for instance. The obvious cause but lets find other things to chuck in.

Did you know that the optimum wait time to allow for use of the chunnel is 2hrs during busy periods. They were just about managing it. Optimum - maybe it could be 1hr if more was put in.

 

[Mottie]

Mottie you are so easily fooled.

I‘ve never been fooled into voting for something I don’t want.

 

[noseall]

Millions of socialists support Brexit.
Why is that.?

Elderly and gullible being fed lies on top of more lies. Its no accident those that are the poorest educated voted to leave. Even the most ardent Brexer can see that now. We have two on this very forum that have realised it was all a con.

 

[noseall]

I‘ve never been fooled into voting for something I don’t want.

I'm not sure anyone could admit that the leave scenario ticked all their boxes. You must be unique in that respect Mottie. If you look mat what Brexit has delivered, your claim is even more astonishing.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

But we were promised quick and easy trade deals and would instantly take back control of fishing and that a raft of trade deals were ready to go, come 29th March 2019.

Regardless of anyone's views on Brexit, anyone who believes politicians or bureaucrats when they say things like 'quick and easy' or 'instantly' are deluded.

By and large, this country seems to have lost the ability to do anything quickly.

We're going to ...

sort the railways
level up
improve the NHS
stop immigration
provide more affordable housing

... but please give us a few decades to do so and, tbh, even then it probably won't be achieved.

Surely we all know, politicians spout waffle and bullsh1t to get us onside, then don't deliver on most of it.