Then how is C3 ever supposed to be used if it's only C1 and C2 which signify immediate or potential danger?
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Of course you're allowed to make uncoded observations. A common one is if you notice emergency lights which fail to function during your dead testing work. It doesn't fall foul of any regulation in BS7671, but it still should be noted down on the certificate.
No. It should be noted on a covering letter if desired. Only non-compliances with BS7671 are permitted to be noted on an Electrical Installation Condition Report (and then only where you are claiming that improvement is advised - i.e. it must be a worthy of a C1, C2 or C3 observation).
Because you are recommending improvement with a C3.
If you aren't recommending improvement then you don't mention it in the Report.
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But earlier you said:
If you are recommending an improvement of something which may give rise to danger, then surely it would warrant a C2 or C1 coding?
Risteard said:
If you are recommending an improvement of something which may give rise to danger, then surely it would warrant a C2 or C1 coding?
A C3 is suggesting that it could be safer than it is (although not urgent). So I was clear that anything not attracting a code is not to be mentioned (but anything warranting a code is to be).
BS 7671:2008 ammendement 3 page 432.
Inspection schedule - outcomes> use codes above and provide additional comments where appropriate - C1, C2, C3, FI, N/V, LIM & N/A.
So you could of course make an observation that the CU doesn't conform to the latest enclosure fire ratings (421.1.2) and code it N/A in the observation code column
Inspection schedule - outcomes> use codes above and provide additional comments where appropriate - C1, C2, C3, FI, N/V, LIM & N/A.
So you could of course make an observation that the CU doesn't conform to the latest enclosure fire ratings (421.1.2) and code it N/A in the observation code column
No you couldn't, because it isn't "Not Applicable". You are recommending improvement with C3, or stating that it is potentially dangerous with C2 (or immediately dangerous with C1).
It would be foolish to suggest that a distribution board in a domestic premises which has been shown to present a real danger of fire (hence the Regulation at the behest of the London Fire Brigade) does not even have improvement recommended.
Sorry but you're wrong. Simple as that.
You're not saying it's at serious risk of fire and that it should be replaced you are simply stating that you have observed it isn't conforming with the latest regs (if you so wish to make that observation official on the report)
It's not only about recommending improvement or immediate danger as you keep pedalling on this thread. Read the book. Observe the outcome codes applicable on page 432.
If electricians are to be trusted by the general public it would be foolish to suggest to them that a consumer unit which they had installed in November of 2015 is now at serious risk of fire and needs/ is recommended as replacing as it presents an immediate danger as this is simply false.
You're not saying it's at serious risk of fire and that it should be replaced you are simply stating that you have observed it isn't conforming with the latest regs (if you so wish to make that observation official on the report)
It's not only about recommending improvement or immediate danger as you keep pedalling on this thread. Read the book. Observe the outcome codes applicable on page 432.
If electricians are to be trusted by the general public it would be foolish to suggest to them that a consumer unit which they had installed in November of 2015 is now at serious risk of fire and needs/ is recommended as replacing as it presents an immediate danger as this is simply false.
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Have to agree with Risteard about the C3 as it is not to the latest regulations, therefore improvement is recommended.
That doesn't mean anyone has to do anything any more than if your installation has no RCDs.
You may disagree about the likelihood of fire but that was the reason for the changes.
That doesn't mean anyone has to do anything any more than if your installation has no RCDs.
You may disagree about the likelihood of fire but that was the reason for the changes.
Ok, but the sentiment that you can only observe using C1 to C3 is still incorrect.
So do you C3 red/black T&E because it's not to the latest regulations and want to recommend that it be "improved" by going around adding brown/blue sleeving throughout?
Do you think that you could show any risks/dangers/hazards, no mater how improbable, which would arise from not carrying out that "improvement"?
What if part of the installation is brown/blue? As you've pointed out yourself in the past, those responsible for BS7671 obviously consider it to introduce enough of a potential risk to require the addition of a warning notice.
Then the regulations say that a warning notice should be present.
They do not say that all existing wiring should be oversleeved with brown & blue.
They do not say that all existing wiring should be oversleeved with brown & blue.
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