Expensive expenses

[chainsaw_masochist]

The problem with higher taxes, and we already pay more than ever in history, is the Sweden/Holland result. You get an enormous outflux of top people.

Perhaps it is their rates of taxation that allow both countries to deliver high quality health services? Oh...and what is an outflux?

If it works so well, why did both countries decide to reverse the measures?

I wasn't aware that they had reduced their rates of taxation. The highest top rates on 2007 personal income were found in Denmark (59.0%), Sweden (56.6%), the Netherlands (52.0%) and Finland (50.5%), and the lowest in Romania (16.0%), Slovakia (19.0%), Estonia (22.0%) and Bulgaria (24.0%) Malta stood at 35.0%. Perhaps you might try wprking in Romania? Doubt if you'd find the health standards up to much, though.

Every communist country in the world has tried to tax to the max, and every single one has failed to build a healthy economy.

Those pearls of wisdom just keep coming, don't they?

Joe does not have a very good grasp of money, finance or economy.

Or to put it another way perhaps he just does not agree with your views. He is not alone, sadly.

Also, directed at Joe was a pot informing a kettle that it was a certain shade deeper than dark grey:

You are not too good at English either...

...and I am still waiting for you to inform me what outflux means.

If there was a nobel prize for stupidity, the inventor of the principle of " redistribution of wealth" would have been the first winner.

I doubt that we need to throw the net that wide, actually.

 

[Shytalkz]

Sorry. He charges £2000 per DAY.

How many times Joe? It's per hour, per hour ffs.

 

[bengasman]

You must indeed be a masochist if you leave yourself this open to a hiding.

Toprate of income tax in Holland has been as high as 80%.
Sweden managed to top this with an incredible 101% at some point, designed to make topearners loose money when increasing their pay. The well paid chaps just shrugged, and moved abroad. As is now seen in England.
Where exactly have I specified this happened in the past couple of years?

If your vocabulary is wanting, you might try using google to improve.
It is really simple; type the word you don't understand in the top right hand box of your browser, and press the return button.
The rest should be obvious, and you will know what "outflux" means.
You can use google to educate yourself in other areas as well.

Sadly, it does little to improve reading, something you are clearly not too good at either. Try reading discount paperbacks from the supermarket, they are easy to read, and as long as you understand what you are reading, you will improve.

 

[Shytalkz]

If you were to offer a Structural Engineer (like Shytalkz) minimum wage you wouldn't get anyone taking it up. Salary is what attracts him.

Actually, Guiseppe, although we've been around this particular mulberry bush before, the reason I got into it was from a very early age and playing with little brick sets like this, when remuneration and such things never crossed my mind. I do it because I love doing it.

There are brickies, plumbers, carpenters who earn as much, if not more, than I do; and when you factor in all the learning time I do, as well running the biz, my actual drawings would be way less than min wage. And they don't have to insure themselves to the hilt both for this life and for 12 in the hereafter. Each to their own.

 

[Shytalkz]

They don't all employ family or fiddle expenses. The PM earns around £180K.
Shytalkz around £600k.

you make me die Joe

 

[joe-90]

If you were to offer a Structural Engineer (like Shytalkz) minimum wage you wouldn't get anyone taking it up. Salary is what attracts him.

Actually, Guiseppe, although we've been around this particular mulberry bush before, the reason I got into it was from a very early age and playing with little brick sets like this, when remuneration and such things never crossed my mind. I do it because I love doing it.

There are brickies, plumbers, carpenters who earn as much, if not more, than I do; and when you factor in all the learning time I do, as well running the biz, my actual drawings would be way less than min wage. And they don't have to insure themselves to the hilt both for this life and for 12 in the hereafter. Each to their own.

Your drawings have little to do with your earnings. Your earnings are filtered off into offshore investments so that you pay zero UK tax. We know your game mate.

You told us a few months back that you charge little pensioners £250 per hour for your services - and then charge them £250 per hour travelling time to see them. You should be in politics.

 

[Shytalkz]

Tear yourself away from the pc Joe and settle down to watch Eurovision. You know it makes sense.

 

[joe-90]

MPs fiddle expenses - you fiddle tax. Libby fiddles benefit. You are all the same really.

 

[bengasman]

Your drawings have little to do with your earnings. Your earnings are filtered off into offshore investments so that you pay zero UK tax. We know your game mate.

If we assume that your statement were true, which of course we do not know, you would prove me right that higher taxes only hit those who can not afford a tax-friendly construction, and those who earn a lot, move (their business) away from the claws of English tax collectors.

And that is not counting the resulting loss of jobs. Chasing away the employers, also sends people they would have employed on the dole, and diminishes the work they create by spending their lavish income. And of course the vat, duties and similar sources of income for the country.

 

[Shytalkz]

I probably do, yes. I can't answer for sure one way or the other, as my accountant tells me what to pay and I pay it; how he comes up with the figures, I know not. More to the point, I don't care, either.

If you call paying myself a bare minimum salary and taking the rest as divvies which saves me and the company on NICs and tax, then, yes, I fiddle. Although, obviously, I stay within the rules. Or are they guidelines?

Whatever they are, I didn't write them, nor are they pertaining solely to self. I don't work in a place where I am supposed to be beyond reproach, where I spout meaningless platitudes intended for the masses, with no intention of following them myself. And, most pertinently, I don't get paid from the taxes of everyone in the country.

Your comparisons are therefore flawed. No change there, eh.

 

[joe-90]

MPs are following the guidelines too - so why do you revile them? You are no better than they are. No better than Libby. Just carry on ripping off pensioners for £250 per hour. How do you sleep? Bet you were a public schoolboy.

 

[Shytalkz]

Shut up Guiseppe, you're talking shi'ite and you know it.

Libby: funded by taxpayers for (supposedly) not working
MPs : funded by taxpayers for....you tell me, but it allows for at least 160 days off a year
Shytalkz: funded by clients who chose to use my services at rates agreed before I do any work for them

Nap, can't get the connection...

 

[bengasman]

...Whatever they are, I didn't write them, nor are they pertaining solely to self. I don't work in a place where I am supposed to be beyond reproach, where I spout meaningless platitudes intended for the masses, with no intention of following them myself. And, most pertinently, I don't get paid from the taxes of everyone in the country...

This is my main grieve with politicians.

They are paid by the money we have to fork out.
They are the ones that force us to pay more.
They are the ones pretending to be there for the working class.
They are the ones talking about moral compasses, and what a scandal it is that bankers get big bonuses.

To me it is the same as the vicar getting caught watching porn. Libby may cheat with benefits, but she doesn't claim to be whiter than white.
Some will qualify her as a thief, but at least she is not a thief, AND a hypocrite. And if SHE gets caught, she will be prosecuted, I doubt if many mp's will.
If any.

 

[Shytalkz]

Bet you were a public schoolboy.

Boarding skule yes; public skule, no. So sorry to disappoint you.

 

[Shytalkz]

Libby is a SHE???