Hartlepool

[transam]

Hmmm not good for starmer

work to do

42% ? turn out

some on the news blaming the corbyn legacy / damage

 

[jeds]

Poor old Jewemy, gets the blame for everything. Maybe the people of Hartlepool weren't that bothered about carpets and curtains?

 

[securespark]

But the important thing is whether they match.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Maybe they are still hanging monkeys?

 

[SirGalahad]

Hartlepool was last conservative in 1956. In those 65 years we have had 24yrs of labour and 41 years of Tory Government. The Government in power is the one that has the greatest impact over people lives. So they voted for change by voting for more of the same?

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Hartlepool was last conservative in 1956. In those 65 years we have had 24yrs of labour and 41 years of Tory Government. The Government in power is the one that has the greatest impact over people lives. So they voted for change by voting for more of the same?

The alternate view is that the people of Hartlepool are satisfied with what the present Government is doing and its performance.

 

[SirGalahad]

The alternate view is that the people of Hartlepool are satisfied with what the present Government is doing and its performance.

The problem with that is - how is the present Government able to sell "levelling up agenda" when they were essentially a major cause of their post industrial downturn.

 

[Munroast]

don't think they remotely like Boris or want a tory gov - it is just the alternative looney left london liberal lefties would be far far worse an alternative. Labour needs to wake up not 'woke up'

 

[SirGalahad]

don't think they remotely like Boris or want a tory gov - it is just the alternative looney left london liberal lefties would be far far worse an alternative. Labour needs to wake up not 'woke up'

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/constituency-statistics-population-by-age/

There are demographic changes taking place. Look at Hartlepool it has a higher percentage of people over 50 than the national average. The young have been leaving these northern towns for opportunities in the cities. Broadly speaking as the cities have a younger population and the towns and rural areas have and older population they are voting along those lines- young for labour and old for Tory.

So these people who are older tend to own their homes and are more culturally conservative whilst the young tend to rent their homes and are culturally more liberal. The benefits system has cushioned many of these older voters with thei triple lock whilst the cuts to universal credit has impacted the younger voters more.

Now as we have a FPTP system and racking up votes in cities where labour is strong will not achieve them power anytime soon no matter how un woke they become.

 

[EddieM]

Bad situation. Regardless of one's political persuasion it's essential for any country to have a credible and potentially electable opposition.

 

[SirGalahad]

Bad situation. Regardless of one's political persuasion it's essential for any country to have a credible and potentially electable opposition.

That's in essentially a two party system with FPTP. Until the public get behind PR and a system that represents peoples broader views. PR is not a magic bullet but until everyones vote counts even in safe seats.

There are 38 other seats where, similarly to Hartlepool, the Brexit Party vote is greater than the Labour majority. This could get far worse.

It's why Tory sleaze doesn't cut it. They get a free pass on that as they achieved Brexit.

 

[Mottie]

The problem with that is

That it’s a problem for you?

 

[SirGalahad]

That it’s a problem for you?

So why do these areas need to be levelled up?

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

The problem with that is - how is the present Government able to sell "levelling up agenda" when they were essentially a major cause of their post industrial downturn.

Didn't we have a need to move away from the traditional industries and heavy industries, up and coming countries were doing it better and cheaper, we simply were not competitive. The UK grew up, matured and moved on to mostly better things.

 

[SirGalahad]

Didn't we have a need to move away from the traditional industries and heavy industries, up and coming countries were doing it better and cheaper, we simply were not competitive. The UK grew up, matured and moved on to mostly better things.

Who is responsible for managing this change away from these industries? After Thatchers Government forced through the closures of mines, they left these northern towns to fend for themselves and for investment. You cannot distance the role of Government causing these areas to go into decline.

It's why still the young in these areas are moving to the cities for opportunities.