Is Boris' "Social Services" plan Oven Ready?

[SirGalahad]

Ahh the conceit by all busted Tory bots - well what is your solution.

The issue with Social care is funding and delivery. The current model is failing on both counts. An easy way to fund social care is not to fund Tory MPs, their mates etc or just stop HS2.

If you want an equitable way to fund it then move away from taxing income to taxing wealth.

As to delivery there needs to be an NHS style organsation thats focused on social care delivery - currently it is too disjointed.

 

[motorbiking]

Or we could start encouraging people to look after their own and make provisions for their own needs. Part of the problem is the cost, which leads people to conclude they can never afford it. Tax the wealthy? They already pay the majority of the taxes.

 

[Mottie]

Or we could start encouraging people to look after their own and make provisions for their own needs.

I’ve got a mate who has no savings and no private pension and rents his house from a private landlord. When I ask him how he's going to pay his rent when he can no longer work, he says "Not my problem, It’ll be the states problem". There’s quite a few like him.

 

[JohnD]

Tax the wealthy? They already pay the majority of the taxes.

I'm shocked

You're telling me that some rich people with large incomes pay more tax than poor people with small incomes?

Who could have seen that coming?

 

[JohnD]

Or we could start encouraging people to look after their own and make provisions for their own needs.

Yes, it's strange that rich people have more savings than poor people.

Can you think of any reason why a care worker on minimum wage, or a young person in the gig economy with no regular job, or a person on a zero-hours contract, doesn't have a big nest egg like you do?

 

[motorbiking]

They didn’t study hard at school?

 

[JohnD]

They didn’t study hard at school?

Neither did Buffoon Johnson, but he had the good fortune to be born with a silver spoon in his nose, and a golden ladder to wealth and privilege

Count the lads from sink estates who got FSM.

 

[JohnD]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-49935693

 

[ajohn]

This covers possible changes
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58436009

While @motorbiking point is correct it neglects the disposable income left after tax aspects. Really the whole thing needs revising including levels against salary.

Aged keeps cropping up when this subject is mentioned. Very misleading as it's the entire state support area not just the NHS.

Care has it's own problems. My mother went into a home. Cost of the property I can only guess but going to be nearer to a million than 1/2 one. The owner wants a return on that, A small one up the road is probably worth more than the house I live in so I'd guess £500,000 or so. Another home I enquired at for my mom is mortgaged. £500k plus I'd hate to guess on that one. Rather nice isolated location.

Property is screwing us all up but it and land is paying a lot of pensions.

 

[securespark]

I've got a plan. Call it socialist if you like - and some will, I don't care - but it entails the following.

Everyone pays their ****ing tax.

Everyone.

No more individuals shovelling it away in off-shore accounts.

No more corporations paying sweet **** all in tax despite having traded on these shores for years and years.

If everyone paid the tax that they are due to pay, this country would be a ****-ton richer.

 

[JohnD]

The announcement has now been made. For the moment we can assume (rather rash, in Johnson's case) that what he said is true and will happen.

https://www.ft.com/content/eceaf8fa-6ac2-4a48-8450-69bb0720117e

"Boris Johnson on Tuesday announced a £12bn annual tax rise to fund a big increase in health and social care spending in England, in a defining moment for his premiership that infuriated many in his own party.

Johnson said the “tough decision” was needed to contain a mounting waiting list crisis in hospitals and to carry out long-promised reforms to the country’s crumbling care sector.

The plan to increase national insurance contributions (NICs) by 1.25 percentage points for both employers and employees breaches Johnson’s election “guarantee” that he could fix social care without putting up key taxes.

The move, which takes effect from April 2022, will initially pay for £36bn of emergency NHS funding spread over three years to deal with the backlog in treatment caused by the Covid crisis.

Johnson said that money from the higher national insurance rates — rebranded a “health and social care levy” — would gradually be used to pay for long-term social care reforms.

The levy will also be paid by pensioners who are working.

Johnson also announced there would be an equivalent 1.25 percentage point increase in taxation of dividends, to address claims the new policy weighed unfairly on people on low earnings and did not hit the better off.

Meanwhile, ministers are also expected shortly to scrap the pensions “triple lock” to avoid giving the elderly a big state pension increase next year — breaching another manifesto promise. Wage anomalies caused by Covid — to which pension increases would otherwise have been linked — would have seen pensions rise by more than 8 per cent next year, at a recurring cost to the Treasury of £4bn a year.

Johnson, buoyed by opinion polling suggesting the public is prepared to pay more in tax for better hospital and care provision, pressed ahead with the plan despite widespread Tory opposition."

 

[Mottie]

Everyone pays their ****ing tax.

Everyone.

Except when you are taking 25% of your pension pot tax free eh? (Or did you voluntarily give the tax on that back to the government?)

 

[motorbiking]

It looks alright to me. At least you get something back for the extra tax.

 

[Mottie]

Like it or not, because of the pandemic and the pandemic only which could not be foreseen, we are all in it together so we all have to somehow pay towards it.

 

[ellal]

Like it or not, because of the pandemic and the pandemic only which could not be foreseen, we are all in it together so we all have to somehow pay towards it.

Social care provision has been a curse for decades...

It has nothing to do with the 'virus'!

but this is interesting...

Except when you are taking 25% of your pension pot tax free eh? (Or did you voluntarily give the tax on that back to the government?)

Coming from a freeloading spiv who is cheating the taxpayer!