Is Boris' "Social Services" plan Oven Ready?

[securespark]

Except when you are taking 25% of your pension pot tax free eh? (Or did you voluntarily give the tax on that back to the government?)

Firstly, you are twisting things grossly.

I was talking about those who deliberately avoid paying tax, not those who pay their taxes and accept a tax-free perk that is legitimately given by the government to its citizens.

Second, if you insist I should, my pension is so small, tax on 25% of it I would happily pay.

And you?

Would you give the tax on your 25% back? I take it from your stance that you would?

 

[securespark]

Plus, you must have misread my post

If everyone paid the tax that they are due to pay, this country would be a ****-ton richer.

Edited for clarity.

 

[Mottie]

Would you give the tax on your 25% back? I take it from your stance that you would?

Absolutely not - along with any other tax-free perk legitimately given by the government to its citizens.

 

[ellal]

Absolutely not - along with any other tax-free perk legitimately given by the government to its citizens.

And yet you criticise someone else for legitimately using their pension pot as intended...

Whilst boasting about getting taxpayers money for work you weren't going to do anyway...

What a total hypocrite!

 

[Mottie]

And yet you criticise someone else for legitimately using their pension pot as intended...

Whilst boasting about getting taxpayers money for work you weren't going to do anyway...

What a total hypocrite!

Who criticised anyone? I’ve done the same myself with one of my pensions. As you’re legally allowed to.

I’ve told you time and time again, when you know anything about educational funding, feel free to come back and tell me how the system works. Anyway, furlough is ending this month so I might have to retire - from that job at least - I still have my consultancy gig as well as a bit of general spannering. I’ll see how I feel. Might be a employee retention bonus coming from Rishi yet.

 

[securespark]

Who criticised anyone?

You were critical of me, weren't you?

You said I ought to give the tax paid on my 25% back.

You suggested I was avoiding paying tax by not doing so.

But you misunderstood, because I was talking about not paying tax owed, rather than giving back a tax perk legitimately offered by the Government.

 

[SirGalahad]

Or we could start encouraging people to look after their own and make provisions for their own needs. Part of the problem is the cost, which leads people to conclude they can never afford it. Tax the wealthy? They already pay the majority of the taxes.

Hmm perhaps if consumerism and consumption of our economic model wasn't pushed as hard. Or perhaps better investment in schools and education so people are better able to make financial decisions etc

But when you have neoliberal economic policies well this is the discontent or downside.

I said tax on wealth. We have a renty economy and the sooner we rebalanced the equation more in favour of income and productivity the better it will be.

The economic model creates these problems, the question is how do you deal with them. You want better education and informed public - well invest in that. But the irony is the public are not smart enough to make these long term decisions but the Government was quite happy to ask them about something as complex as Brexit.

 

[Notch7]

the Boris social care plan is not what we think it is

for the next 3 years it can all go to the NHS.....which can be filtered out to go to privatised healthcare contracts, almost certainly ones where Tory MPs have a financial interest.

in 3 years time there will be an election...so no guarantee the next government will use the NI tax rise for social care


the personal savings cap wont start until 2023

 

[SirGalahad]

the Boris social care plan is not what we think it is

for the next 3 years it can all go to the NHS.....which can be filtered out to go to privatised healthcare contracts, almost certainly ones where Tory MPs have a financial interest.

in 3 years time there will be an election...so no guarantee the next government will use the NI tax rise for social care


the personal savings cap wont start until 2023

I wonder whether the money will be spent on private providers to reduce the backlog or increase the NHS capacity.

 

[ellal]

You were critical of me, weren't you?

Of course mottie was...

He simply gets 'confused' when he is caught out yet again!

 

[ellal]

So an NI/tax rise to pay for old git care...

Wasn't the extra council tax levy supposed to cover that?

 

[JohnD]

Johnson the liar.

 

[SirGalahad]

Oh god here we go another socialist bed wetter who all they can do is complain but never comer up with a serious plan of how you deal with the issue. Remember the best labour politician in decades Frank Field. What did he do come up with the unthinkable and was dropped like a hot potato by the Blairites. Last Labour politician I actually thought competent. So come on Gal what do you think needs to be done= Hint its not tax the poor or the rich.

I thought £350m was coming to the NHS. Where has that gone? Back of some Tory Mps pocket?

 

[SirGalahad]

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Johnson the liar.

£350m where has it gone?

 

[Mottie]

You said I ought to give the tax paid on my 25% back.

You suggested I was avoiding paying tax by not doing so.

No, I didn’t. And yes, you did avoid paying tax but tax avoidance is perfectly legal unlike tax evasion.,