Melania attacks Trump's policy

[JohnD]

"US child migrants: Melania calls for end to Trump's separation policy"



"...critics have pointed out that detaining children separately from their parents was a policy announced by US Attorney General Jeff Sessions last month and does not require congressional action to be stopped."


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44515123

 

[noseall]

'Who cares' (the new RWR mantra). Just a bunch of poor wetbacks. If Trumpy wants to use children as pawns, why not let him. Who cares, Trump has solved the North Korean problem single handedly.

 

[bernardgreen]

Who cares, Trump has solved the North Korean problem single handedly.

Has he, Click here

 

[vinty]

You can't compare N.Korea to Nazi Germany.

 

[JohnD]

Of course you can. You can compare a mountain to an egg if you want to.

Why don't you want to compare a militaristic state ruled by a totalitarian dictator, with a powerful secret police, prison camps and forced labour, to a militaristic state ruled by an authoritarian dictator, with a powerful secret police, prison camps and forced labour?

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

To be fair to vinty, a better comparison would be Vietnam, and the subsequent US, or US led, war against communism in the two instances.
The fact that Vietnam (then unified) later went in a different direction than N Korea is not really applicable to the comparison. Although the unification of Vietnam, compared to the armistice, and therefore no unification, in N Korea, may have a bearing on the historical direction of the two countries.

If that is the case, surely the better solution for Korea is re-unification, under any guise, doctrine, philosophy or political persuasion.

 

[Notch7]

The US generally has a cruel and unjust justice system.

Guantanamo bay for example.

Separation of children though.....unthinkable.

 

[vinty]

Of course you can. You can compare a mountain to an egg if you want to.

Why don't you want to compare a militaristic state ruled by a totalitarian dictator, with a powerful secret police, prison camps and forced labour, to a militaristic state ruled by an authoritarian dictator, with a powerful secret police, prison camps and forced labour?

The Americans killed more N.Koreans than the Kim regime ever did. Economic sanctions by the Americans have also contributed to famines and stunted economic growth in N.Korea.
If the Americans stopped interfering in these Asian countries these dictatorships would disappear.

 

[bernardgreen]

The Americans killed more N.Koreans than the Kim regime ever did.

How many North Koreans died from famines under the Kim regime,

In the 1990's farmers were forced to give their produce to feed the privileged classes and the army leaving farmers and their familes dying from malnutrition

 

[HawkEye244]

I don't agree with the child separation policy. They should deport the entire family where this occurs.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

How many North Koreans died from famines under the Kim regime,

In the 1990's farmers were forced to give their produce to feed the privileged classes and the army leaving farmers and their familes dying from malnutrition

I suspect, Bernard, that your information is based on propaganda, rather than facts:

From 1994 to 1998 North Korea suffered a famine. Since 1998 there has been a gradual recovery in agriculture production, ...
In the 1990s decreasing ability to carry out mechanized operations (including the pumping of water for irrigation), as well as lack of chemical inputs, was clearly contributing to reduced yields and increased harvesting and post-harvest losses.
Incremental improvements in agricultural production have been made since the late 1990s, bringing North Korea close to self-sufficiency in staple foods by 2013...
Since the 1950s, a majority of North Koreans have received their food through the Public Distribution System (PDS). The PDS requires farmers in agricultural regions to hand over a portion of their production to the government and then reallocates the surplus to urban regions, which cannot grow their own foods. ....
Decreases in production affected the quantity of food available through the public distribution system. Shortages were compounded when the North Korean government imposed further restrictions on collective farmers....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriculture_in_North_Korea

Although an Armistice was signed in 1953, the US has continued with a trade, political and propaganda war ever since. Of course, the Armistice did not cover such issues. This, I understand, is the basis of North Korea's disillusion with the Armistice.

 

[bernardgreen]

Another quote from that document

From 1994 to 1998 North Korea suffered a famine. Since 1998 there has been a gradual recovery in agriculture production, which by 2013 brought North Korea back close to self-sufficiency in staple foods. However, as of 2013, most households have borderline or poor food consumption, and consumption of protein remains inadequate.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriculture_in_North_Korea#cite_note-FAO-WFP-2013-1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriculture_in_North_Korea#cite_note-FAO-WFP-2013-1

The report at http://www.fao.org/docrep/019/aq118e/aq118e.pdf ( from which that quote appears to have been taken ) highlights on going child malnutrition.

The general health of the army is known to be poor, google for " Oh Chong Song " a soldier who defected to South Korea.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

Another quote from that document
The report at http://www.fao.org/docrep/019/aq118e/aq118e.pdf ( from which that quote appears to have been taken ) highlights on going child malnutrition.
The general health of the army is known to be poor, google for " Oh Chong Song " a soldier who defected to South Korea.

Sure, Bernard, I accept that comment, but one comment taken in isolation is not sufficient to produce your emotional conclusion of "In the 1990's farmers were forced to give their produce to feed the privileged classes and the army leaving farmers and their families dying from malnutrition", especially when taken in context of the bigger picture, again taken form the same source:

Farming in North Korea is concentrated in the flatlands of the four west coast provinces, where a longer growing season, level land, adequate rainfall, and good irrigated soil permit the most intensive cultivation of crops...
The interior provinces of Chagang and Ryanggang are too mountainous, cold, and dry to allow much farming.[1] The mountains contain the bulk of North Korea's forest reserves while the foothills within and between the major agricultural regions provide lands for livestock grazing and fruit tree cultivation...
The stability of the country depends on steady, if not rapid, increases in the availability of food items at reasonable prices. In the early 1990s, there were severe food shortages...
The food shortage was caused as a direct result of the massive flooding and a mix of political failure and poor amounts of arable land in the country. In 2004, more than half (57%) of the population didn't have enough food to stay healthy. 37% of the children had their growth stunted and 1/3 of mothers were severely undernourished.

Even by 2006, according to WHO NK only produced about half of its grain requirement.

In 2006, the World Food Program (WFP) and FAO estimated a requirement of 5.3 to 6.5 million tons of grain when domestic production fulfilled only 3.8 million tons.

same source
It was the agricultural policy (PDS) that required the farmers sharing their produce with all urban dwellers (not the privileged classes) who were unable to grow their own food.
But it can be as easily argued and supported by empirical evidence that the US trade, political and propaganda war is as much or more to blame for the food shortages.

 

[Notch7]

But it can be as easily argued and supported by empirical evidence that the US trade, political and propaganda war is as much or more to blame for the food shortages.

So you are saying the US is more to blame for NK food shortages than NK regime......Mmmmm ok

 

[vinty]

How many North Koreans died from famines under the Kim regime,

In the 1990's farmers were forced to give their produce to feed the privileged classes and the army leaving farmers and their familes dying from malnutrition

If that was the case why didn't the international community intervene, was it not because N.Korea was under US sanctions ,any evidence that the N.Korean government refused outside aid.