Migrant channel crossing deal.

Section 3 of the Human Rights Act mandates that all legislation, primary and subordinate, must be interpreted in a way that is compatible with Convention rights, as far as it is possible to do so.
Doesn't stop migrants coming to the UK.
Section 6 of the Human Rights Act makes it unlawful for a public authority to act in a way that is incompatible with a Convention right.
Doesn't stop migrants coming to the UK.
combine the two and you will see why there is a case for reform.
Irrelevant. There is no appetite for it, certainly not on the spurious (MBK imagined) grounds that it will prevent migrants coming to the UK.
A government with a mandate simply passes law to amend the above.
Simply passes a law? So the Tories for example, can arbitrarily amend the Act to stop migrants arriving and pass it and make it law, simply because they have a mandate?
No HoC? No HoL? No debating in the chambers?
If they have the mandate, it will become law. That's how most laws are made.
Nonsense.
 
Simply passes a law? So the Tories for example, can arbitrarily amend the Act to stop migrants arriving and pass it and make it law, simply because they have a mandate?
No HoC? No HoL? No debating in the chambers?

The Human Rights Act is just another Act of Parliament. Any government who has enough MPs would eventually be able to get an amendment through Parliament. They might have to wait twelve months to bypass the House of Lords. But in the end, the amendment would become law.

The question is, what would it achieve to amend the HRA whilst still remaining in the ECHR. The solution put forward by @motorbiking.

Say, as a deterrent, the government decided to stop all support for anyone arriving on a small boat. They were left homeless and without any money so they had to beg on the streets. They became unwell as a result, but they were refused any medical assistance. Would that be inhuman and degrading treatment under the ECHR.

Well let's agree, for the sake of argument, that it would be.

But how can they take action against the UK. If the HRA has been amended to stop it applying to small boat people, they can't bring a claim in the domestic courts. But they are still protected by the ECHR. So instead they would just bring a claim at Strasbourg. This is why I do not see the benefit of what is being suggested above. Other than it might be harder to bring a claim. And as I have pointed out several times already, the government doesn't actually have to follow a ruling under the HRA or ECHR in any event.
 
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The Human Rights Act is just another Act of Parliament. Any government who has enough MPs would eventually be able to get an amendment through Parliament. They might have to wait twelve months to bypass the House of Lords. But in the end, the amendment would become law.

The question is, what would it achieve to amend the HRA whilst still remaining in the ECHR. The solution put forward by @motorbiking.

Say, as a deterrent, the government decided to stop all support for anyone arriving on a small boat. They were left homeless and without any money so they had to beg on the streets. They became unwell as a result, but they were refused any medical assistance. Would that be inhuman and degrading treatment under the ECHR.

Well let's agree, for the sake of argument, that it would be.

But how can they take action against the UK. If the HRA has been amended to stop it applying to small boat people, they can't bring a claim in the domestic courts. But they are still protected by the ECHR. So instead they would just bring a claim at Strasbourg. This is why I do not see the benefit of what is being suggested above. Other than it might be harder to bring a claim. And as I have pointed out several times already, the government doesn't actually have to follow a ruling under the HRA or ECHR in any event.
I'm aware of the process and MP's appetite to change the laws in the UK - or not. If you think the HRA can be amended to stop migrants traveling to the UK - please show it. If you have evidence that MP's have discussed amending the HRA in order to prevent migrants traveling to the UK, I'd like to see that. A lot of Tories are anti-immigrant, yet they didn't mention the HRA and its ability to be amended in order to prevent migrants coming to the UK.

So far, only MBK has said the HRA can be amended to prevent migrants travelling to the UK, but has waffled and deflected when asked how targeting the HRA with an amendment would achieve it.
 
If you think the HRA can be amended to stop migrants traveling to the UK - please show it. If you have evidence that MP's have discussed amending the HRA in order to prevent migrants traveling to the UK, I'd like to see that. A lot of Tories are anti-immigrant, yet they didn't mention the HRA and its ability to be amended in order to prevent migrants coming to the UK.

I don't believe any of that. I was just putting a forward a hypothetical to help with the discussion around whether it is even possible in theory.
 
Why do they holiday in Dubai and not the Carribbean?

Is it because Dubai is a soft touch? Doesn't strike me that it is.
People will only go where they can afford to go. Same as some assylum seekers can afford the boat ride, others can't, so they go elsewhere
 
Nonsense. So all migrants would come to the UK, but don't cause they can't afford it? That is just your wrong opinion.
 
Nonsense. So all migrants would come to the UK, but don't cause they can't afford it? That is just your wrong opinion.
Have you any evidence to say that I am wrong? Do you think all assylum seekers can afford the 5k to get here?
 
They ALL know that the UK is soft...thats why we get hundreds a day arriving..
 

OMG. I asked Google. OMG. This is what she said.

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The UK's support for asylum seekers is often criticized for being restrictive compared to other European countries, particularly regarding access to the legal labor market, housing, and financial support. While the UK provides some financial assistance and access to healthcare and education, concerns remain about the adequacy and conditions of accommodation, the length of processing times for asylum claims, and the high rate of initial claim refusals.
 
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I have to say that I am dubious about that answer from Google. But I have found it very difficult to find good info elsewhere. I thought there would be a simple article from a neutral source comparing the support given by each country to asylum seekers. But I haven't found one yet.
 
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