If it does then it is wrong.
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What is it about racism being exclusively related to race that is so difficult to understand?
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What is it about racism being exclusively related to race that is so difficult to understand?
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I agree with Aquaheat - if it is the post I think that has been deleted.
Thank you. It was what you were thinking and I wish I had saved it. All I was doing was explaining the use of a word in the modern age. Hence why I have asked mods to explain why it was deleted and asked @Himaginn to explain why it was inherently racist.
Like I said many and most do not understand that actual term. To be racist you need to have or show a hatred or dislike for a raverace. None of that ever present.
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Doggit
Derogatory, yes; means a slave of someone, no.
I didn't see you questionable post, so I'm slightly behind things, but for most people, when a supposedly derogatory term is used against someone, it'll often get classed as racist when it's often just being used as a word thrown out in attempt to show annoyance. I wear glasses, so often got called a 4 eyed g1t when at school, but that didn't mean they hated people with glasses; and when a black person gets called the N word, it's often just used as a way of showing annoyance at something they've done, rather than a racist comment. Unfortunately, the last Labour governments attempt to make everyone culturallly sensitive, has massively backfired for everybody.
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Doggit
In TV culture, the word seems to have been taken over by the black community, as a way of throwing the word back at the "whites". Hah hah, you can't use the word, but we can. When someone calls another "my *****", It often comes across as "you're mine to do with whatever I want, and don't you forget it". But then TV culture, isn't always representative of real life.
Or is it the standard metamorphis of a word from one generation to the next. My daughters friend considered me chill for something I let them do, but my generation would have used cool instead.
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blightymam
I hear what you're saying and that's common sense talking, but playing devils, have some of these words, except in some circumstances become offensive in their own right? Bit like how swear words are always swear words. And who decided what word was a swear word anyway?!
Language, very interesting stuff! Oh, and your Portuguese for black young person is too much! Bet he/she is a relative of Himmys.
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blightymam
Himmy would've taken a screenshot of it - it's what he does. If you ask nicely perhaps he'd help you out........... !
A black person can discriminate against another black person simply because of his colour. For instance a black employer can select an all white work force from a selection of mixed (black and white) people and be accused of racial discrimination if he has selected them based upon colour rather than merit.
Black on black racism exists. Take your head out of the sand EFLI and educate yourself.
Precisely!
You may perceive that you asked a reasonable question, but you did so using racially offensive terms, intentionally bypassing the auto-censor.
A word can be offensive just for being used. The intent behind it is sometimes irrelevant. As by my example of calling my pet dog by an offensive term, then use that term in public. Obviously the intent behind it is that I am calling my dog but others perceive it as being intentionally racist.
Porn is allowed in mainstream media, but do we allow it to be seen by minors. Similarly why try to inculcate a racially offensive term into general use?
I don't feel the need to respond to you, who repeatedly demonstrates poor judgement, in order to retain my integrity, sincerity or credibility. All you are doing is repeating your argument and justification for using a racially offensive term. By repeatedly using an offensive word, bypassing the auto-censor to do so, and arguing that it is not offensive is demonstrably poor judgement.
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1271739-If-you-use-the-word-******-are-you-racist
I notice that you inform us that you are black and therefore it's OK for you to use the offensive term.
I would simply ask you, would you use it to a stranger? Would you be comfortable with a stranger addressing you with that term?
It's OK for friends, partners, etc to behave how they wish in private and between themselves, (within reason). But if/when that behaviour is displayed in public in can be considered offensive. If you want to bandy about an offensive term in public, it can, and probably would, be considered offensive.
Repeated use of swear words on a public forum may result in a user being banned. Why shouldn't repeated use of a racially offensive term result in the same, irrespective of the ethnicity of the user?
BTW, blightymam, I was going to respond in due course to your comment about me backtracking with words "potentially offensive". I see the thread has gone now, so let me do so while it's fresh in our minds.
I did not backtrack or suggest that the comment was not offensive. It is/was, without doubt, offensive.
My use of "potentially" was in relation to an expression which has not yet been used.
Let me explain. If I'm about to use an expression, which I'm unsure of, which I think is 'potentially' offensive (note I haven't used it yet), would I still use it? To do so might make it actually offensive!
If I gave it some thought, would I still use the expression and intentionally be offensive, or would I choose another less ambiguous, less potentially offensive expression?
Clearly, one action would be considered sensitive, considerate, and avoiding offensive behaviour. The other action would be considered a disregard for whether I am offensive or not.
Now, suppose I don't give my comments any thought before making them.
And I inadvertently (but it could have been avoided) used an expression which was offensive.
It is pointed out to me that it is/was offensive.
I could either accept the comment, not necessarily apologise because no offence was intended, but accept that it was not appropriate and decide not to use that expression again.
Alternatively, I could blandly refuse to accept that it is/was offensive, and state that I'd willingly use that expression again, now knowing that the next time it would be potentially offensive.
Which of those scenarios do you think best fits the actual events?
You may recall that I also said, but maybe not at the same time, when I accuse anyone of being racially offensive, it is advisory, in case they were not aware of it, or confrontational if they are aware of it, and continue to behave offensively.
If someone continues to argue that their behaviour is not racially offensive, and provide feeble and fragile arguments to support their assertion, discussion ensues.
I did not backtrack or suggest that the comment was not offensive. It is/was, without doubt, offensive.
My use of "potentially" was in relation to an expression which has not yet been used.
Let me explain. If I'm about to use an expression, which I'm unsure of, which I think is 'potentially' offensive (note I haven't used it yet), would I still use it? To do so might make it actually offensive!
If I gave it some thought, would I still use the expression and intentionally be offensive, or would I choose another less ambiguous, less potentially offensive expression?
Clearly, one action would be considered sensitive, considerate, and avoiding offensive behaviour. The other action would be considered a disregard for whether I am offensive or not.
Now, suppose I don't give my comments any thought before making them.
And I inadvertently (but it could have been avoided) used an expression which was offensive.
It is pointed out to me that it is/was offensive.
I could either accept the comment, not necessarily apologise because no offence was intended, but accept that it was not appropriate and decide not to use that expression again.
Alternatively, I could blandly refuse to accept that it is/was offensive, and state that I'd willingly use that expression again, now knowing that the next time it would be potentially offensive.
Which of those scenarios do you think best fits the actual events?
You may recall that I also said, but maybe not at the same time, when I accuse anyone of being racially offensive, it is advisory, in case they were not aware of it, or confrontational if they are aware of it, and continue to behave offensively.
If someone continues to argue that their behaviour is not racially offensive, and provide feeble and fragile arguments to support their assertion, discussion ensues.
If I may make an additional, but I consider relevant, comment.
If I'm a Muslim, I can't claim to have the monopoly on what is,or is not considered racially offensive, from a Muslim point of view.
If I'm black, Indian, Chinese, whatever, I cannot claim to know what all that is, or is not offensive, to all my fellow ethnic comrades.
Racial, indeed any form of abuse, is perceived from a subjective and personal viewpoint.
Some terms are recognised as being, more or less, universally offensive.
Those, that profess to want to avoid being considered prejudiced, should avoid using those terms.
If I'm a Muslim, I can't claim to have the monopoly on what is,or is not considered racially offensive, from a Muslim point of view.
If I'm black, Indian, Chinese, whatever, I cannot claim to know what all that is, or is not offensive, to all my fellow ethnic comrades.
Racial, indeed any form of abuse, is perceived from a subjective and personal viewpoint.
Some terms are recognised as being, more or less, universally offensive.
Those, that profess to want to avoid being considered prejudiced, should avoid using those terms.
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blightymam
However, you like to act like you do have the monopoly on it. Dan used an idiom and you called him racist on the back of it when he meant no harm. You act like you are judge jury and executioner.
I don't think you even really care about the issue. You've been argumentative for a long time, banned for it and is someone who loves to stir the pot in your history here on DIYnot. This 'racist' thing is just the latest topic for you to grasp.. I think you care much more about getting a rise out of people than you do about what is right and wrong.
he is a bit like joe 90 - Status
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