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Panorama BBC1 10July: Is Labour anti-semitic?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Notch7, 9 Jul 2019.

  1. Notch7

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    That would be a bonus for Labour as there are 10x more Muslims than Jews in UK.
     
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    Haha spot on Notch as if Labour would consider such a proposal to gain more votes. :LOL:
     
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    So Jews, Muslims, antifascists, and people who aren't racist shouldn't vote Conservative.

    That explains their membership.
     
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    Most Jews support the Tory party, that explains why Corbyn wil never be PM.
     
  6. 4th place in the polls won't help him either.
     
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    The claims of anti semitism seem to come from the Labour party itself.
     
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    Mostly Blairite type labour members are doing the most complaining.
    They will get him in the end because how can you deliver something that doesn't exist.
    Take Saddam Hussein as a case in point, Saddam was ordered to hand over his WMDs, however because he didn't actually have any WMDs to hand over he could not comply with American demands, which meant he was removed on the pretext of non compliance.
     
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    The Labour Party tried to stop the BBC screening this programme, sounds promising.
     
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    Thats probably because their arent any Jewish people in the hard left, but there are amongst the moderates.
     
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    Why do you think that? Looks more complex that than. The only survey I could find says:
    • Among the Jewish population, leanings towards Conservative and Labour are evenly split,
      yet many people are undecided.
    • Younger respondents are more likely to be undecided, and less likely to support the Conservatives, than older respondents. Support for Labour does not vary with age.
    • Jewish men are considerably more likely than Jewish women to prefer the Conservatives.
    • Jewish women are more likely than Jewish men to prefer Labour
    • Jews who are married are more likely to prefer the Conservative Party; single Jews are more likely to prefer Labour.
    • The self-employed are more likely to prefer the Conservatives (39% Conservative versus 29% Labour), whereas full-time employees prefer Labour (38% Labour versus 25% Conservative).
    • Jews demonstrate very different political preferences depending upon which part of the country they live in.
    • Jews with a ‘Secular’ outlook prefer Labour; those with a ‘Religious’ outlook prefer the Conservatives.
    • Political preferences among Jews vary significantly depending upon which synagogue denomination they belong to.
    https://www.jpr.org.uk/documents/The political leanings of British Jews.pdf - Institute for Jewish Policy Research (JPR)

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    I only watched half the programme. I didnt get the impression it was very balanced.

    I can understand that the programne would want to interview some ex Labour employees that wanted to tell what they felt, but what wouldve been interesting would have been someveesearch to see if some of the claims of anti semitism from within Labour have been only motivated by either Israel funding or to attack the leader.

    None of that was addressed.....at least in the part I watched.
     
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    The other half was the same.


    Naturally the protagonist were very biased but confused in their definitions.
    "Anti-semitism is anti-Jewish racism".
    "Even when people say Zionist, they just mean Jewish".


    Was any instance of abuse detailed rather than just "I suffered abuse, therefore...".

    They were mostly very young and not semitic-looking.
     
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    This from Wikipedia on the presenter, John Ware:

    "In 2012, Ware took voluntary redundancy from the BBC, but has continued with some freelance work.[1] Since leaving the BBC, he has published articles about its top management.[11][14] In 2015, Ware was commended for being "sympathetic to Jewish concerns", receiving a Commitment to Media Award from the Women's International Zionist Organization. Stephen Pollard, editor of the Jewish Chronicle, said "I tell our trainees at the JC, that if there is one person they should model themselves on, it is John Ware.".[15]

    • 2015, A Panorama edition by Ware on the campaign of Jeremy Corbyn to be elected as Labour Party leader, Labour's Earthquake, attracted hundreds of complaints, including from Corbyn's campaign team, and was described by a member of Corbyn's campaign team as "containing factual inaccuracies" and "a complete hatchet job".[16]
    • 2019, An extended Panorama edition, entitled Is Labour Anti-Semitic, was described by Labour as containing "deliberate and malicious representations designed to mislead" and the party alleged that "Panorama has pre-determined the outcome of its investigation and is relying on unsubstantiated allegations and misrepresentation to come to its conclusions." and that "No proper attempt has been made by Panorama to understand Labour’s current processes and procedures".[17]"
    He did say that Livingstone was factually incorrect in his comments about Hitler - no explanation was given.

    I do not know. Perhaps someone would verify or not.
     
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    What Livingstone said about Hitler wasn't factually incorrect but the way he said it came across as though he was claiming that Hitler was a good guy who only wanted to help Jews.
    I don't think that was Livingstone's intention, but mentioning Hitler and Jews in the same sentence can be lethal for certain categories of Politicians if their opponents decide to use the anti semitism slur against them.
     
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    He said something like ... Hitler supported the idea of Jews being moved to Israel, but then he went made and decided to kill them all instead.

    The suggestion that for a while Hitler support a Jewish policy was deemed antisemitic, and he was accused of being a Holocaust denier, even though in the same sentence he described Hitler as mad and killing Jews.

    It is easy to see how both sides of the argument can, and have, been made against him.

    Only he knows what he really thinks. The role of a politician is to be diplomatic and balanced.
     
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