You mean the EU candidate countries?
Your preconceived prejudicial perception
But you're the only one with that argument.
Reasons to Remain.
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I was rather thinking of smaller places, such as Andorra.
It's simply a matter of record that it's what the EU is about. If it weren't, then why does the EU need to keep moving into more and more fields and trying to take more and more power from national governments? Have you forgotten about that "ever closer union" clause?
I think I'm far from being the only person who would say the U.K. should not accept anything the EU cares to offer just to get some sort of trade deal.
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I didn't say that the U.K. could get by without trading with EU countries. I said it could get by without a specific trade deal, just on the same terms as the rest of the world. Or are you trying to suggest that without coming to some deal the EU finds acceptable that it would simply embargo all trade with the U.K?
Timeframe - No idea. Cost and administrative effort, almost certainly repaid by savings in the same from being free of the EU.
And also as said before, that's not a valid reason to say "Oh well, we might just as well keep throwing money away into the EU then."
Another attempt at strawman argument.
You are the only one advocating the UK can manage without a trade deal with EU.
No-one mentioned anything about EU embargoing trade with UK. They'd be happy to trade with us, as long as we comply with their regulations and pay their import duties.
If we didn't apply import duties , there'd be no leverage to motivate them to enter into a trade agreement.
It's also so simplistic in your world.
As years tick by without trade deals in place, UK would become less and less productive and competitive. This would diminish our ability to negotiate equitable deals.
Your comment is based on your fallacious premise of "throwing money away."
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Well, we certainly pay more into the EU than we get back,,,, If that's not "throwing money away" then please tell me what is ?
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It is only in my later years that I began to take an interest in economics. If you think that politicians make the policies then you are very much mistaken, it is all down to the economists.
I've always been interested in history & I've always been interested in politics. You might think that these two are intertwined.
You are wrong.
History has always been written by the winner & history as you know it bears little resemblance to the truth. It's only when you begin to study economics that the haze surrounding your perception of history begins to clear.
Hitlers fascist revolution was all about creating a U turn of the economics of the time. The ones it hurt the most are the very same ones who deny you the right to know true history. They are the ones who write your history.
If you're wondering what it's all about, then I beg you to research and learn an understanding of economics, to know the difference between capitalism & socialism. To know this is true enlightenment.
I've always been interested in history & I've always been interested in politics. You might think that these two are intertwined.
You are wrong.
History has always been written by the winner & history as you know it bears little resemblance to the truth. It's only when you begin to study economics that the haze surrounding your perception of history begins to clear.
Hitlers fascist revolution was all about creating a U turn of the economics of the time. The ones it hurt the most are the very same ones who deny you the right to know true history. They are the ones who write your history.
If you're wondering what it's all about, then I beg you to research and learn an understanding of economics, to know the difference between capitalism & socialism. To know this is true enlightenment.
If everybody got out more than they paid in, it would be a Ponzi scheme. Is that what you're hoping for?
"Has being part of the EU been good for the UK economy?
Since Britain joined the European Economic Community (now the EU) in 1973, the nation has become one of Europe’s best-performing large economies.
During that time, domestic product per person has grown faster than Italy, Germany and France, three big economies that the UK had previously lagged behind. In 2013, the country became more prosperous than the average of those economies for the first time since 1965."
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1465ef50-...il&utm_term=email5_march3&utm_campaign=brexit
Another reason to remain in the EU.
Who will manufacture our medals for us if we leave ???
http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/business/manufacturing/anger-french-win-british-medals-10989803
Who will manufacture our medals for us if we leave ???
http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/business/manufacturing/anger-french-win-british-medals-10989803
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rules&rulers
If we leave,we can always rejoin.
If we stay in,we will never be allowed to leave.
Bonjourno.
If we stay in,we will never be allowed to leave.
Bonjourno.
By all means correct me if I'm wrong, but your post seemed to imply that our relative prosperity has improved because of our membership of the EU.
I doubt that this could be proved one way or the other, because we do not know what would have happened had we stayed out.
Perhaps Jock was simply stating that, in being a net contributor, we are subsidizing the less-efficient parts of the EU, which is a drain on our resources.
If this is a membership fee, we are right to question what we get for it in return.
Yes, of course, but then why should we subsidize the poorer parts of the EU? There are other nations queuing to get in, principally for the handouts.
We give enough in foreign aid already.
We give enough in foreign aid already.
John D would say it's because we're members of the "club" and it's our moral duty to subsidise all and sundry in Europe... We should probably take in a couple of million, zillion of these refugees too.
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