Selfish Suicide?

[big-all]

as said a person would never derail a train
you have a minimum 30ton carrage [unless its a pacer] shared over 4 axles
so you have around 4 tons per wheel minimum which is enough to resist the problems off human flesh

 

[securespark]

The point about this story was that they guy who did himself in parked across the track. The train driver struggled to keep the train on the tracks - he feared derailing.

 

[markie]

There's one how come the train driver struggled when it's on tracks just me thinking out aloud.

 

[big-all]

The point about this story was that they guy who did himself in parked across the track. The train driver struggled to keep the train on the tracks - he feared derailing.

i was a train driver my self untill about 12 years ago from second man [they used to be the fireman on the loco in the steam days i was only ever on deisels or leccys ] through to driver i was on the foot plate for over 23 years
in reality someone or somthing gets in your way all you can do is drop the handle[apply the the emergency brakes]sit on the horn[makes lots of random noises in disbelief on the train horn] and hope for the best
inform the signal centre on the cab radio if fitted or jump off the train when you stop to apply track circuit clips to turn signals to danger and allert the signal man to something wrong

 

[Spark123]

Sorry for the slight hijack, what do those clips actually do? Is it just a piece of wire between the two rails? Do you put them on the same rails as your train or the other rails?

 

[big-all]

they are called track circuit clips they take the place of a train
as in the 2 rails are a circuit [track circuits]in in various sections and lengths the train causes a dead short thus showing occupied
tc clips emulate a train so set the signals to danger
you can only apply them to the "running rails " the other rails are either check rails near and connected to the running rails to guide the inside off the wheels and often cause sqeeling on curves
you must never atatch them to the third rail [750volts] or the 4th rail 670v london underground voltage

google "track circuit clips" for some info

 

[breezer]

I shall expand on that

although the train itself is still there (causing a "short") the driver or guard has to walk down the track and place the clips further down the line.

When the signalman sets the lights to green (they set a whole bucnch at a time) this over rides the green function and puts the signals behind the train to danger no matter what the signalman does.

The driver will also place 3 "detonators" on the line which make one hell of a bang when another train runs over them

train drivers call red danger.

I actualy saw inside a signal box when i was about 12. I was shown around by a SAT man (big-all will know what that is)

 

[Spark123]

Thanks

 

[big-all]

I shall expand on that

although the train itself is still there (causing a "short") the driver or guard has to walk down the track and place the clips further down the line.

When the signalman sets the lights to green (they set a whole bucnch at a time) this over rides the green function and puts the signals behind the train to danger no matter what the signalman does.

The driver will also place 3 "detonators" on the line which make one hell of a bang when another train runs over them

train drivers call red danger.

I actualy saw inside a signal box when i was about 12. I was shown around by a SAT man (big-all will know what that is)

just to slightly clarify detinators where placed in an order if you heard 3 youmake an emergency stop
if "full protection "had been implimented it was a serious of dets 3 at 1.25 miles from the problem you apply the emergency brakes at the first dets then at the second 800yds away you are aware the correct sequence is in order so you are expecting the stop short warning at the last det about 400yrds from the obstruction but you automaticly are traveling at walking pace looking for the person who put the dets down to transport them safely back to the train or obstical they are protecting

i was a box boy [in a signal box ]for the first 2 years in my railway carear
as i was only 16
as you says dets where the whole form of protection untill the 80 when full track circuits and radio came into use and detinators[bangers] where only used in emergencys like derailments and emergency speed restrictions

 

[masona]

The really sad part is that these people cannot see any other way out of their situation other than death.

Very true, it's mostly from deep depression, all they see is a black hole they can't get out of it. As how they commit suicide, they are not in the right state of mind of who will pick up the pieces afterward.

It's a pity the UK won't allow suicide with injection. I think the only country that allows it, is in Switzerland

 

[empip]

The self centering effect of train wheels is very cool.

http://www.spikesys.com/Trains/whel_faq.html

 

[big-all]

The self centering effect of train wheels is very cool.

http://www.spikesys.com/Trains/whel_faq.html[/QUOTE]

very good and very accurate
although he does forget to mention the rails are inclined towards each other to the same angle as the wheels so not just the edge wears

there are also check rails on tight curves that react on the back of the oposite wheel to stop the flange prematurely wearing out the rail

 

[joe-90]

not much left of them when they get hit by them. They tend to explode like a bag of water. funnily enough th head normally survives though. (picked a few up in my time) generally not much danger to the train, but as breezer says its the poor b*****d driving that have to live with it.

That's true. I once worked on the railways in Oz when we had a jumper.

I climbed over to the far side of the train (as it was in the platform) and the first thing I saw was a head sitting on the bank. The body was all ripped up underneath. This was a stopping train though so the impact couldn't have been more than 15 - 20 mph. Still made a complete mess of her.

 

[empip]

The self centering effect of train wheels is very cool.

http://www.spikesys.com/Trains/whel_faq.html[/QUOTE]

very good and very accurate
although he does forget to mention the rails are inclined towards each other to the same angle as the wheels so not just the edge wears

there are also check rails on tight curves that react on the back of the oposite wheel to stop the flange prematurely wearing out the rail

He did place this header on the page...
"NOTE: I am not a rail professional nor do I have ties to railroad wheel manufacturing, but have applied the neccessary physics to the railroad wheel to explain what is happening to the layman."

 

[big-all]

he actualy done a very good job at describing how things work

perhaps its just me acting like a complete anorak