Sensible policies: Smoking banned for life

[IT Minion]

Does this ban include the smoking of cannabis?

Daft question I know, because it is already banned, although not enforced.

But as this proposed smoking ban is a lefty policy, and most lefties want cannabis legalised, would the proposed smoking ban clash with the proposed legalisation of cannabis?

Since it's illegal to sell cannabis already there would be no change.

It doesn't impact the legalisation of cannabis, you could mandate that it be sold as edibles after all. Plus smoking cannabis is less dangerous than smoking tobacco so the logic is still ok for banning one and allowing the other. Mixing tobacco and cannabis and smoking them as is common in the UK is probably the worst of both options.

 

[Murdochcat]

How are they going to check peoples age? Will everyone in years to come who looks like they might have been born around that time or after be asked to provide ID? Or is it assumed it will be checked via national ID linked to all financial transactions people make?

Like shops & pubs check ages for people buying alcohol

 

[IT Minion]

How are they going to check peoples age? Will everyone in years to come who looks like they might have been born around that time or after be asked to provide ID? Or is it assumed it will be checked via national ID linked to all financial transactions people make?

We're already in a world where being IDd for alcohol is routine for people over the age of 25. In reality shops will be selling tobacco less and less frequently as time goes by so it won't be a huge deal.

 

[SPLINE]

Since it's illegal to sell cannabis already there would be no change

Cannabis is illegal but the police don't enforce the law, and consequently we have to suffer the awful smell of the stuff regularly. If tobacco smoking were to be made illegal would the police enforce that law, or would they be as lax as they are with cannabis? OR would they police tobacco strictly whilst continuing to ignore cannabis offences?

smoking cannabis is less dangerous than smoking tobacco

Nonsense! Cannabis causes mental illness and has driven people to commit some of the the most depraved, violent crimes. Not for nothing is the word 'assassin' derived from the word hashish. I'm sure there is violence in the world of illegal tobacco, but I never heard of anyone going on a killing spree as a direct result of smoking ten Benson and Hedges.

 

[IT Minion]

Nonsense! Cannabis causes mental illness and has driven people to commit some of the the most depraved, violent crimes

It isn't safe, it's not Tofu.

But you might be missing just how dangerous tobacco is. It's really, really bad, so being 'safer' is very easily met.

Plus taking cannabis is pretty safe, its incredibly hard to overdose on it. There may be mental health impacts, but it's such a small effect it's hard to prove it exists.

Unlike alcohol for example where the links between death and committing some of the most depraved, violent crimes, and is involved around half of all violent crimes. Guess what proportion of violent crimes is linked with cannabis.

 

[Odds]

Since it's illegal to sell cannabis already there would be no change.

It doesn't impact the legalisation of cannabis, you could mandate that it be sold as edibles after all. Plus smoking cannabis is less dangerous than smoking tobacco so the logic is still ok for banning one and allowing the other. Mixing tobacco and cannabis and smoking them as is common in the UK is probably the worst of both options.

You're not going to get any sense out of him on the subject: i've tried.

 

[Odds]

However; this "landmark" legislation that aims to stop anyone born after 1 January 2009 from taking up smoking by making it illegal for shops to sell them tobacco, to create a smoke-free generation. When it gets royal assent, ministers will also have new powers to regulate tobacco, vaping and nicotine products, including their flavours and packaging.

Regulate? Surely it'll be illegal to sell it if it's become illegal to smoke it?
Vaping would still be allowed outside hospitals in a bid to support those trying to quit. ... pub gardens and wider open spaces such as beaches and private outdoor spaces are not included in the plans. People will also be able to continue smoking and vaping in their homes.

So, when we get to the year, say, 2100, and the 'smoking generation' will pushing up daisies will anyone still be toking the golden herb or is this 'legislation' another hare brained idea to "save the children"?

 

[SPLINE]

Guess what proportion of violent crimes is linked with cannabis.

You will not get accurate records on this because it is hardly ever a consideration.

In most of the big news muslim terror attacks we have suffered since 9/11 the perpetrators had been high on cannabis, but this is never brought up as significant.

Was Rudikabana on cannabis? Was the question ever asked?

 

[IT Minion]

You will not get accurate records on this because it is hardly ever a consideration.

In most of the big news muslim terror attacks we have suffered since 9/11 the perpetrators had been high on cannabis, but this is never brought up as significant.

Was Rudikabana on cannabis? Was the question ever asked?

Utter *******s. How isolated from reality are you?

 

[motorbiking]

This bill will see easier mechanisms to fine illegal tobacco smoking than illegal cannabis smoking. That doesn't make much sense.

 

[IT Minion]

This bill will see easier mechanisms to fine illegal tobacco smoking than illegal cannabis smoking. That doesn't make much sense.

Nothing about how we treat cannabis makes sense.

 

[pete01]

 

[IT Minion]

Yes, Tobacco only kills half of persistent users early. Great stuff.

 

[pete01]

When your times up its up enjoy what you enjoy.

 

[ellal]

Does this ban include the smoking of cannabis?

Daft question I know, because it is already banned, although not enforced.

But as this proposed smoking ban is a lefty policy, and most lefties want cannabis legalised, would the proposed smoking ban clash with the proposed legalisation of cannabis?

Apart from the 'lefty' nonsense (RW nutjobs indulge just as much), this isn't a daft question...