Sorry, but this is important.

[morqthana]

I have no interest in your attempts to divert into the fantasy of assumed "gender"

Gender identity - Wikipedia

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Gender dysphoria - Wikipedia

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Transgender - Wikipedia

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[morqthana]

I have no interest in your attempt to pretend that sex is "assigned" or "decided."

In practice, a person’s sex is usually assigned at birth based on external genitals. A baby with a vulva is labeled a girl. A baby with testes and a penis is labeled a boy.

But even at birth, some people don’t fit neatly into male or female boxes. About 1.7 percent of the population is intersex. That’s according to InterAct, an advocacy organization for intersex youth. This rate is as common as having naturally red hair.

Sex development in intersex people can differ in any of a wide variety of ways, including those described above. Some may be born with both ovarian and testicular tissue. Under some definitions of sex, they might be considered both male and female, says Sylvan Fraser Anthony, InterAct’s legal and policy director.

Intersex individuals often undergo surgeries as infants or young children to make their genitals or internal organs conform to the sex their parents choose. They may also need to take hormones (such as estrogen or testosterone) to maintain their health,

 

[JohnD]

This is the reality of what a trans woman who wants to use womens facilities looks like:

It's interesting that this post shows a man who has been carefully contrived with hair and make-up to look rather like a woman, for the purpose of the photo-op. You might notice that he is larger than the other men surrounding him.

The man shown is actually a large, rugby-playing married man, well known to be a man who calls himself a woman.

Late one night, when the corridors of the hospital were largely deserted, a small, middle-aged female nurse went to the women's changing room after suffering an unexpectedly heavy period, wishing to clean herself up and change her clothes in privacy. and found herself alone in there with him. She objected to his presence and they had an altercation. Towering over her, and standing between her and the door, he refused to leave, insisted that he was a woman and ordered her to agree with him.

When she didn't back down, he made an official complaint that she had bullied and disrespected him and was prejudiced against men calling themselves women.

I'm glad to see that morqthana describes him as the reality of men demanding access to women's spaces.

 

[morqthana]

I have no interest in ...

I have no interest in ...

I have no interest in ...

So you chose to contradict from a position of deliberate ignorance.

Hmmm.


There is something which puzzles me though. On almost every topic you post on you have a liberal leaning. You reject the swivel-eyed right wing views on disabled people, migrants, vaccines, flags, Israel/Palestine, you name it, but on this particular one you've swallowed every drop of their Kool Aid.

 

[JohnD]

On almost every topic you post on you have a liberal leaning.

How strange you find it that I should support the right of women to have a reserved space that will not be invaded by men.

See above.

I'm glad to see that morqthana describes him as the reality of men demanding access to women's spaces.

 

[morqthana]

It's interesting that this post shows a man who has been carefully contrived with hair and make-up to look rather like a woman, for the purpose of the photo-op. You might notice that he is larger than the other men surrounding him.

The man shown is actually a large, rugby-playing married man, well known to be a man who calls himself a woman.

Please provide documented proof of:

a) her height and weight

b) that she plays rugby

If you can't, please tell us where you got that from, and why you are posting it if it isn't true.

Late one night, when the corridors of the hospital were largely deserted, a small, middle-aged female nurse went to the women's changing room after suffering an unexpectedly heavy period, wishing to clean herself up and change her clothes in privacy. and found herself alone in there with him. She objected to his presence and they had an altercation. Towering over her, and standing between her and the door, he refused to leave, insisted that he was a woman and ordered her to agree with him.

When she didn't back down, he made an official complaint that she had bullied and disrespected him and was prejudiced against men calling themselves women.

Please provide the source of that, and show that it has been found to be true.

When doing so please explain why the employment tribunal rejected every single allegation made against Dr. Upton.

 

[King Billy]

No idea how billy can be so confused as to what a man and a woman is. If you have to have all of the details spelled out to you we are living in a very strange world.

You are convinced you know what characteristics are required for a woman to be a woman, so explain it to me.
You've had one go, which failed miserably. So try again, and stop avoiding the issue.

Yes if you are struggling with that definition I will point out the obvious to you. Do they menstrate can they give birth, if the answer is yes to either of those questions then they are a female.

 

[morqthana]

How strange you find it that I should support the right of women to have a reserved space that will not be invaded by men.

But it's the way you're doing it.

The vituperation and hate. The wilful ignorance. The denials of truth and facts. The prejudice. The gross misrepresentation of the positions of people you disagree with. The drive to total polarisation just like the Israel/Palestine analogy I gave. The inflammatory language.

It's possible to approach the issue, and be mindful of and supportive of everybody's rights, without any of that.

But that's not the swivel-eyed right-wing way, is it.

How would you react, I wonder, if somebody wrote

"How strange you find it that I should support the right of white English people to have a country that will not be invaded by Muslim rapists."?

 

[Koolpc]

But it's the way you're doing it.

The vituperation and hate. The wilful ignorance. The denials of truth and facts. The prejudice. The gross misrepresentation of the positions of people you disagree with. The drive to total polarisation just like the Israel/Palestine analogy I gave. The inflammatory language.

It's possible to approach the issue, and be mindful of and supportive of everybody's rights, without any of that.

But that's not the swivel-eyed right-wing way, is it.

How would you react, I wonder, if somebody wrote

"How strange you find it that I should support the right of white English people to have a country that will not be invaded by Muslim rapists."?

Are you transgender?

 

[JohnD]

the employment tribunal

I see you are familiar with Doctor Upton, a man who calls himself a woman.

I am sure you are already aware of the case.

If you have chosen to ignore the facets that show his behaviour in a poor light, I suggest you look again.

I notice you call him "she," suggesting that he is a woman. Please provide documented proof of that.

I am very pleased that you made the mistake of holding him up as an example of a man demanding access to reserved women's spaces.

You are now getting overexcited.

 

[Koolpc]

The world has gone completely bonkers.

 

[King Billy]

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Source? It looks like biology for dummies. But even that source recognises that intersex and variations occur.

It's a legal determination that sex is binary, but it's not a biological or scientific fact.

While human biology is primarily organized around a binary system of male and female based on the production of sperm or eggs, in roughly 1.7% of births, sex characteristics—chromosomes, gonads, or genitalia—do not fit typical definitions. These variations, often referred to as intersex or differences of sexual development (DSDs), indicate a more complex, spectrum-like understanding of biological sex traits rather than just two rigid categories, although they do not form new gamete-producing sexes.

It is a biological fact that, so far, only two sexes, together, have been able to reproduce. But to argue that sex is binary based on the ability to reproduce is to fall back onto the religious doctrine. It would mean that people who are not able to reproduce are not people. Society does not ostracise, nor deny the existence of, people who are unable to reproduce. Modern science does not limit the existence of intelligent life simply with the ability to reproduce. Yet the anti-trans mantra is all about reproductive ability. Weirdly, it's the same people who are complaining that the world is overpopulated.

There are many societies that do legally recognise more than two genders.

Many societies throughout history and around the world recognize more than two gender categories, often integrating third, fourth, or more gender identities. These, such as Hijras (India), Two-Spirit (Indigenous North America), and Fa'afafine (Polynesia), are cultural, social, or spiritual roles rather than purely biological categories.

Some western societies recognise a third gender:

Some modern countries, including Germany, Australia, and Canada, have also introduced legal recognition of non-binary or third gender options on official documents.

 

[Koolpc]

Source? It looks like biology for dummies. But even that source recognises that intersex and variations occur.

It's a legal determination that sex is binary, but it's not a biological or scientific fact.

It is a biological fact that, so far, only two sexes, together, have been able to reproduce. But to argue that sex is binary based on the ability to reproduce is to fall back onto the religious doctrine. It would mean that people who are not able to reproduce are not people. Society does not ostracise, nor deny the existence of, people who are unable to reproduce. Modern science does not limit the existence of intelligent life simply with the ability to reproduce. Yet the anti-trans mantra is all about reproductive ability. Weirdly, it's the same people who are complaining that the world is overpopulated.

There are many societies that do legally recognise more than two genders.

Some western societies recognise a third gender:

Doesn't mean that because they legally recognise the stupidity of a 3rd gender doesn't make it right

 

[King Billy]

Sorry you are so confused. There are two genders only. Biologically and scientifically so just because you are confused over your gender doesn’t mean the rest of us are.

It doesn't matter how many times you repeat the same old tired opinion. If you can't support it with scientific argument it's just a waste of time and space.

 

[morqthana]

Are you transgender?

Why would that matter?