Ssssssshhhhhh, don't mention Reform.

[Highway Man]

It's wrong.

Would you prefer the king to freeze to death?

 

[denso13]

Even the King gets it.

Not anymore.

 

[Highway Man]

Not anymore.

yes well I have noticed the poor old sod has his heating on less nowadays. I bet he cant wait for Farrage to get in.

 

[Highway Man]

Not anymore.

Look at it this way, how much do you think the palace gas bill is to put their heating on? how much does a poor pensioners house cost to heat in comparrison, therefore the King gets the same amount of heating allowance but will not stretch as far as the poor pensioners heating bill. It is very fair.

 

[securespark]

I know 4 OAPs (5 when my Dad was alive) who did not need the Winter fuel allowance. They gave it to charity.

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[aveatry]

I know 4 OAPs (5 when my Dad was alive) who did not need the Winter fuel allowance. They gave it to charity.

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Exactly my point.
The cost of sorting out who really needs it cost more than just giving it out to all pensioners in the first place who will then just channel it back into the UK "kitty " anyway if they do not need it. Like I have explained
Meanwhile starmer has shot himself in the foot with the fiasco -= idiot - what twhat is advising him - is it notch

 

[securespark]

I'd prefer it if you didn't use my quotes as a vehicle to go off on one insulting people.
It's not clever.

I know you edited your quote too.

 

[JohnD]

entitled

All that means is that a law says they get it.

If the law is changed then are no longer entitled.

Did you mean to say that there is a justification?

 

[motorbiking]

Some people don't like wealthy people getting benefits. "Benefits should only be for the poor". They forget that the wealthy are the ones paying the taxes and the idea that they get something back, just a tiny amount of what they've paid in, helps them justify it. When the state takes a large share of your life's income and then wants to reduce what you get back, then it turns those who pay most of the taxes against those who receive them. It also makes the wealthy worry that other benefits might be cut, e.g. means tested state pension. That is not a great outcome, it discourages people from saving to fund themselves and "justifies" tax avoidance.

I do not care that millionaire pensioners get winter fuel allowance, when they don't need it, I know they have made massive contributions to tax in their life. They are net contributors. I have more issue with people who paid hardly any, claiming they "have paid for" the benefits they claim, when they haven't.

 

[pete01]

Why dont they just make an option to return the money.

If you dont need/want it return it, simple.

 

[Highway Man]

All that means is that a law says they get it.

If the law is changed then are no longer entitled.

Did you mean to say that there is a justification?

No I actually mean that when they reach the age of 65 that under the previous governments policy, they were entitled to receive it regardless to their financial circumstances. It was taken away from them as an entitlement by the current party but I understand that he is about to do a u turn on that. I do not see a problem with a weathy pensioner receiving it under this policy. I do believe it is fair if they have paid into the system. They are free to use it as they want. As one has said that he knows 4 pensioners who gave it to charity, Very decent of them and they are free to choose what they do with it.

 

[Odds]

Why dont they just make an option to return the money.

If you dont need/want it return it, simple.

Sure. People are well known for their honesty in returning money.

 

[pete01]

Sure. People are well known for their honesty in returning money.

I know good plan isn't it.

 

[denso13]

I do believe it is fair

I know. Some don't. Like you told me, the policy now is the policy in force, tough.

 

[Highway Man]

I know good plan isn't it.

They do not have to though so those that do is a bonus anyway.