The French are revolting.

[Odds]

Methinks somebody's been looking at to many Lowry paintings and thinks all those mills haven't been flattened.

...or turned into clubs.
Is that a bad thing?
Blake called them 'dark and satanic' with good reason.

 

[gant]

Depends what replaced them, is drawing dole doing drugs, alcohol and anti social behavior moving forward?

 

[SirGalahad]

Depends what replaced them, is drawing dole doing drugs, alcohol and anti social behavior moving forward?

Why do we persist with this time and time again.

Welfare spending.

How is the welfare budget spent? - Office for National Statistics

42% is on pensions.

18% on Income support and family benefits like child benefit

 

[gant]

Not sure I follow you, I was referring to the time Thatcher laid waste to the north and threw workers on the scrapheap with little more than the dole in cases to augment their lives.

 

[SirGalahad]

Not sure I follow you, I was referring to the time Thatcher laid waste to the north and threw workers on the scrapheap with little more than the dole in cases to augment their lives.

Thatcher gave up manufacturing for banking and services but more egregiously she used the one off benefit of North Sea Gas not to invest but to cut taxes.

The love for Thatcher is absurd she set in motion the wrecking of the economy.

 

[gant]

Thanks for telling me something I've already said.

 

[Notch7]

Thatcher gave up manufacturing for banking and services but more egregiously she used the one off benefit of North Sea Gas not to invest but to cut taxes.

The love for Thatcher is absurd she set in motion the wrecking of the economy.

and she flogged council houses cheaply

cut taxes to buy votes
give working class cheap houses to get votes

2024: massive housing crisis

 

[gant]

and she flogged council houses cheaply

cut taxes to buy votes
give working class cheap houses to get votes

2024: massive housing crisis

A lasting legacy, what a t*at.

 

[SirGalahad]

A lasting legacy, what a t*at.

You would think with the fawning and admiration shown to her she was the second coming of Boudica.

Mottie probably has a picture of her above his fireplace.

 

[Odds]

Not sure I follow you, I was referring to the time Thatcher laid waste to the north and threw workers on the scrapheap with little more than the dole in cases to augment their lives.

I bet old pickets from the front lines in places like Barnsley still spit when they hear the name.

The most harrowing harrying of the North since William the Bast'rd marched forth.

 

[Notch7]

I bet old pickets from the front lines in places like Barnsley still spit when they hear the name.

The most harrowing harrying of the North since William the Bast'rd marched forth.

to be fair to Thatcher, breaking the stranglehold Unions had on this country was going to be painful whoever tackled it

Scargill wanted to bring the govt down, it turned into a power struggle which Thatcher won destroying swathes of communities across the North and West in the process

 

[Odds]

to be fair to Thatcher, breaking the stranglehold Unions had on this country was going to be painful whoever tackled it

Scargill wanted to bring the govt down, it turned into a power struggle which Thatcher won destroying swathes of communities across the North and West in the process

I wasn't involved in the miners strike but recall the bitter arguments from old shop stewards who argued long and hard for us to support them by striking. Not my fight, sez I. And i don't remember them giving us any attention when management cut our overtime and bonuses, either. F**k 'em.

 

[gant]

I bet old pickets from the front lines in places like Barnsley still spit when they hear the name.

The most harrowing harrying of the North since William the Bast'rd marched forth.

Got the t shirt, got married 79 bought an house, you know one you did up after work and at weekend not one you just walked into. Had a sprog, living the dream then Thatcher got to work, cards in work dried up and I got made redundant and drew the dole till along came self employment work where you had to use every inch of the ring to make money as a lot of people hadn't a pot to **** in.
Remember the days well, worked for some right sh*tbags that knew they could screw you down.

 

[Odds]

Got the t shirt, got married 79 bought an house, you know one you did up after work and at weekend not one you just walked into. Had a sprog, living the dream then Thatcher got to work, cards in work dried up and I got made redundant and drew the dole till along came self employment work where you had to use every inch of the ring to make money as a lot of people hadn't a pot to **** in.
Remember the days well, worked for some right sh*tbags that knew they could screw you down.

I hear you - unions were a broken force after '83 and it was better to keep your nose to the grindstone than take the long walk to the dole office, as i saw it.

 

[blup]

So you don't think Germany got industry, the French got farming and Britain got the service and banking industry. Fair enough.
Also let's not forget how labour were against the EU (listen to Tony Benn on the EU) until the EU EU bought them off with promises of getting want they wanted to achieve at the time of Thatcher through the mechanism of the eu. Then as you say Blair brought in 'new labour'

I don't think anybody "got" anything, it was a reflection of national economic approaches. Labour's (minority) left wing was against the EU, Wilson sorted that through a post accession referendum (a careful political judgement that paid off unlike Cameron's reckless bet).