The French

[JohnD]

It's interesting that you keep applying additional layers of flannel and waffle.

UK is trying to impose terms that were not included in the treaty it agreed.

The time to introduce terms is before agreeing it. Not afterwards.

 

[fillyboy]

It's interesting that you keep applying additional layers of flannel and waffle.

UK is trying to impose terms that were not included in the treaty it agreed.

The time to introduce terms is before agreeing it. Not afterwards.

The terms are in the original TCA.

No proof, no fish.

 

[JohnD]

The terms are in the original TCA.

show us your imaginary paragraph.

 

[fillyboy]

show us your imaginary paragraph.

(c) access to the waters of the Parties between six and twelve nautical miles from the baselines in ICES divisions 4c and 7d-g for qualifying vessels to the extent that Union fishing vessels and United Kingdom fishing vessels had access to those waters on 31 December 2020. For the purposes of point (c), "qualifying vessel" means a vessel of a Party which fished in the zone mentioned in the previous sentence in four of the years between 2012 and 2016, or its direct replacement.

 

[JohnD]

doesn't include the terms that our Brexer government is trying to impose.

 

[fillyboy]

doesn't include the terms that our Brexer government is trying to impose.

Yes it does.

(c) access to the waters of the Parties between six and twelve nautical miles from the baselines in ICES divisions 4c and 7d-g for qualifying vessels to the extent that Union fishing vessels and United Kingdom fishing vessels had access to those waters on 31 December 2020. For the purposes of point (c), "qualifying vessel" means a vessel of a Party which fished in the zone mentioned in the previous sentence in four of the years between 2012 and 2016, or its direct replacement.

 

[AngleEyes]

Yes it does.

(c) access to the waters of the Parties between six and twelve nautical miles from the baselines in ICES divisions 4c and 7d-g for qualifying vessels to the extent that Union fishing vessels and United Kingdom fishing vessels had access to those waters on 31 December 2020. For the purposes of point (c), "qualifying vessel" means a vessel of a Party which fished in the zone mentioned in the previous sentence in four of the years between 2012 and 2016, or its direct replacement.

No it doesn't.

"Qualifying:
to have the legal right to have or do something because of the situation you are in, or to cause someone to have such a right."
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/qualifying​

That doesn't specify what determines the qualification required. There is no "qualification" specified. So it is open to exploitation.
However, UK has imposed conditions that it knows cannot be fulfilled:

“In particular, we note that the United Kingdom requires evidence of geolocation for vessels under 12 metres, whereas such evidence is not provided for in the trade and cooperation agreement and fishermen are not required to have it under EU rules,”​

Also. the type of boats are unlikely to have a wide area of choice in fishing:

“The majority of the fleets concerned are small-scale fishing fleets, dependent on narrow maritime zones with no possibility of moving their activity, and therefore the failure to resolve these matters [is] likely to cause significant economic and social damage to the communities that depend on them.”​

Also, only French boats are affected:

"Paris is furious that a third of French boats applying to fish in Jersey’s waters have been turned down by the island’s government. Meanwhile the UK government provided only 12 of 47 French vessels with permits for its coastal waters."
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...int-warning-to-uk-over-reduced-fishing-rights​

All of this suggests that this fishing spat is an intentionally engineered conflict designed to affect only the French.

 

[transam]

as I said the french are all p*** and wind and caved in

predictable tbh

no surprise

 

[transam]

perhaps macrons standing in the opinion polls for there forth coming election has perked up ?

 

[fillyboy]

Also. the type of boats are unlikely to have a wide area of choice in fishing:


Also, only French boats are affected:


All of this suggests that this fishing spat is an intentionally engineered conflict designed to affect only the French.

Brexit fishing row fact checked: Real UK and France fishing licence figures exposed (msn.com)

The French and British Governments have been exchanging threats and hostile accusations with greater frequency in recent weeks as the ongoing fishing row escalates. Key talks between both sides will take place on Thursday with the aim being to resolve the disagreement. But a risk of further escalation remains - especially in the wake of new figures published by the UK Fisheries Minister which show 98 percent of EU fishing applications were approved, despite claims to the contrary from France.

The UK Government has shared figures related to fishing licences amid the ongoing post-Brexit fishing row.

In a written statement, Fisheries Minister Victoria Prentis said 98 percent of applications from the EU have been approved.

Ms Prentis revealed a total of 1,831 EU applications were received by Britain.

Of those, 1,793 were approved for fishing in the UK's six to 12 and 12 to 200-mile zones.

The statement also revealed the nation approved all 1,678 applications for EU trawlers to operate in the 12 to 200 nautical mile zone.

This included 736 French boats - despite claims from France the UK granted just 12 licences out of 47 bids.

The breakdown of applications was more complicated for the six to 12-mile zone as they were split into two categories: boats shorter and longer than 12m.

French fishermen, who claimed to be deceived by Britain after just 12 out 47 licence applications were successful in Jersey, have called on the European Commission to take "retaliatory measures" for the action.

The fishing licence debate is at the heart of escalating tensions between Paris and London.

This row mainly pertains to boats under 12m.

For this category, France has submitted 50 applications according to the ministerial statement, of which 19 have been approved and 31 are pending.

From the bloc, 17 out of 31 pending applications have been withdrawn due to "poor evidence".

According to Ms Prentis, there are currently 21 Belgian and 88 French applications for vessels longer than 12m, of which 17 from Belgium and 85 from France have been approved.

Amid the ongoing debate, French Ministers, including the European Affairs Minister Clement Beaune and Fisheries Minister Annick Girardin have accused the UK of failing to adhere to the Brexit deal as it relates to fishing rights.

In response, these ministers have threatened to take severe measures to coerce Britain into adhering to demands from Paris.

France has threatened several different courses of action, including switching off Britain's power, blocking French ports and increasing border checks.

In response, Brexit Minister Lord David Frost has repeatedly said he is disappointed in France's response, claiming the tit for tat retaliatory measures are ineffective in making progress in negotiations.

Tempers appear to be calming since the hotpoint of the row in the past few weeks, with the French Government this week praising Britain for its "constructive" spirit in ongoing talks.

The French Transport Minister, Jean-Baptiste Djebbari, said he had spoken to his UK counterpart on Tuesday evening.

He said "the spirit is a constructive one" noting French fishers had been granted 49 more licences on Monday.

EU officials also spoke of the row with optimism before a meeting between the UK Brexit minister, David Frost, and the French Europe minister, Clément Beaune, in Paris on Thursday.

Today a European Commission spokesperson said: "Officials from the UK, France, Jersey and the commission have been meeting for the past two days.

"These talks have allowed us to chart the way forward on several aspects and have created a positive dynamic aiming at a solution."

The Commission spokesperson said technical talks would continue in Guernsey on Wednesday.

They added: "The talks have allowed for better understanding of the outstanding issues, which have been impeding quicker progress and we hope that the positive engagement on all sides will soon translate into concrete results."

Officials are expected to focus on the applications from 14 vessels seeking access to UK waters and a further 13 requesting permits to fish off the coast of Jersey, according to Annick Girardin, France's Maritime Minister.

The French courts also today decided the British scallop dredger Cornelis Gert Jan - a vessel seized in French waters last week - would be released, and it is now setting sail from Le Havre.

 

[Notch7]

show 98 percent of EU fishing applications were approved, despite claims to the contrary from France

No it’s 90%

UK has approved all fishing licenses for EU apart from France.

 

[Notch7]

despite claims from France the UK granted just 12 licences out of 47 bids

I bet that’s a lie.

is there evidence.

 

[Notch7]

with the French Government this week praising Britain for its "constructive" spirit in ongoing talks

Yeah.

Boris caved in.

 

[fillyboy]

No it’s 90%

UK has approved all fishing licenses for EU apart from France.

I think we both know that's nonsense Notch.

In a written statement, Fisheries Minister Victoria Prentis said 98 percent of applications from the EU have been approved.

Ms Prentis revealed a total of 1,831 EU applications were received by Britain.

Of those, 1,793 were approved for fishing in the UK's six to 12 and 12 to 200-mile zones.

The statement also revealed the nation approved all 1,678 applications for EU trawlers to operate in the 12 to 200 nautical mile zone.

This included 736 French boats - despite claims from France the UK granted just 12 licences out of 47 bids.

The breakdown of applications was more complicated for the six to 12-mile zone as they were split into two categories: boats shorter and longer than 12m.

French fishermen, who claimed to be deceived by Britain after just 12 out 47 licence applications were successful in Jersey, have called on the European Commission to take "retaliatory measures" for the action.

The fishing licence debate is at the heart of escalating tensions between Paris and London.

This row mainly pertains to boats under 12m.

For this category, France has submitted 50 applications according to the ministerial statement, of which 19 have been approved and 31 are pending.

From the bloc, 17 out of 31 pending applications have been withdrawn due to "poor evidence".

According to Ms Prentis, there are currently 21 Belgian and 88 French applications for vessels longer than 12m, of which 17 from Belgium and 85 from France have been approved.

 

[Notch7]

I think we both know that's nonsense Notch

What you’ve posted confirms what I said.

thank you for admitting you are wrong