The French

[fillyboy]

Trade and Cooperation Agreement between UK and EU – CP 426 (publishing.service.gov.uk)

Starts at article 500

4. In particular, the outcome of the annual consultations should normally result in each Party granting: (a) access to fish the stocks listed in Annex 35 and tables A, B and F of Annex 36 in each other's EEZ (or if access is granted under point (c), in EEZs and in the divisions mentioned in that point) at a level that is reasonably commensurate with the Parties' respective shares of the TACs; (b) access to fish non-quota stocks in each other's EEZ (or if access is granted under point (c), in EEZs and in the divisions mentioned in that point), at a level that at least equates to the average tonnage fished by that Party in the waters of the other Party during the period 2012-2016; and (c) access to the waters of the Parties between six and twelve nautical miles from the baselines in ICES divisions 4c and 7d-g for qualifying vessels to the extent that Union fishing vessels and United Kingdom fishing vessels had access to those waters on 31 December 2020. For the purposes of point (c), "qualifying vessel" means a vessel of a Party which fished in the zone mentioned in the previous sentence in four of the years between 2012 and 2016, or its direct replacement. Annual consultations referred to in point (c) may include appropriate financial commitments and quota transfers between the Parties


7. In granting access under paragraph 1 of this Article, a Party may take into account compliance of individual or groups of vessels with the applicable rules in its waters during the preceding year, and measures taken by the other Party pursuant to Article 497(2) during the preceding year. 8. This Article shall apply subject to Annex 38.

UK-EU Trade and Cooperation Agreement: Fisheries (parliament.uk)

3.1 Licencing of EU Vessels Under the Commons Fisheries Policy there was no requirement for EU vessels to have a UK licence to fish in UK waters. They were licenced by each Member State and had a quota allocation from their national Government. However, as result of the TCA, although quota will continue to be allocated by each individual nation, the UK and EU vessels now require a licence to fish in each other’s waters and have to exchange a list of vessels to be licenced. The legislation on licencing EU vessels in UK waters is set out in the Fisheries Act 2020 Sections 12 and 13. Licences for UK and EU vessels are issued by the newly created UK Single Issuing Authority (UKSIA), further details of the process are available on their website. The UKSIA has also published a list of EU vessels granted a licence for 2021 and set out the rules for EU vessels in UK water

 

[fillyboy]

As I understand it the evidence required suddenly became more onerous without negotiation or reasonable notice.

I cant find any conditions in the trade deal that give any requirements for "proof" -it is deliberate power games.

Quite so, then proof of historical fishing was suddenly required.

TCA defines which boats qualify for licences through their past activity – but it does not specify exactly what proof is required.

UK govt are effectively using a loophole to play silly buggers.

I'm sure @fillyboy can find it

come on filly, show us the paragraph.

You silly, silly people.

 

[Notch7]

You silly, silly people.

Please can you point out where in your post it states the license requirement criteria…..as it seems your post doesn’t.

 

[fillyboy]

Please can you point out where in your post it states the license requirement criteria…..as it seems your post doesn’t.

Perhaps you should learn to read.

 

[fillyboy]

Ooh look, Macron's chickened out.

Macron steps back from midnight threat against UK exports in fishing row (msn.com)

Macron steps back from midnight threat against UK exports in fishing row
Daniel Boffey, Rowena Mason and Jamie Grierson 23 mins ago

France’s president, Emmanuel Macron, has shelved his threat to clog up UK exports and ban its fishers from landing catches at French ports from midnight in a dispute over access to British fishing waters, as his deadline approached.

A proposal for further talks was put forward by Macron’s government late on Monday after Downing Street had said it was bracing for Paris to deliver on its vow to retaliate over the issue of fishing permits.

“Since this afternoon, discussions have resumed on the basis of a proposal I made to prime minister [Boris] Johnson. The talks need to continue,” Macron told reporters on the sidelines of the Cop26 climate conference in Glasgow. “We’ll see where we are tomorrow at the end of the day, to see if things have really changed.”

France had been expected to impose extra customs checks and ban British fishing boats at some French ports from midnight with official sources initially reporting that neither side was backing down in their post-Brexit row over fishing rights.

Johnson’s spokesperson had said Britain had “robust” contingency plans in place if France followed through on its threats to introduce more border checks or stop some British vessels reaching French ports.

France has been infuriated that some of its small boats are being denied permission to fish in the waters around the UK and Channel Islands. The UK insists its licensing regime is reasonable and it will continue to require boats to provide evidence that they have previously fished in those waters on four days over the last four years.

 

[JohnD]

I'm sure @fillyboy can find it

come on filly, show us the paragraph.

If @fillyboy had been able to find a relevant clause, he would have posted it and pointed it out.

He didn't.

 

[Notch7]

Perhaps you should learn to read.

Thank you for admitting you can’t.

that’s sorted that out.

 

[Notch7]

Ooh look, Macron's chickened out.

Macron steps back from midnight threat against UK exports in fishing row (msn.com)

Macron steps back from midnight threat against UK exports in fishing row
Daniel Boffey, Rowena Mason and Jamie Grierson 23 mins ago

France’s president, Emmanuel Macron, has shelved his threat to clog up UK exports and ban its fishers from landing catches at French ports from midnight in a dispute over access to British fishing waters, as his deadline approached.

A proposal for further talks was put forward by Macron’s government late on Monday after Downing Street had said it was bracing for Paris to deliver on its vow to retaliate over the issue of fishing permits.

“Since this afternoon, discussions have resumed on the basis of a proposal I made to prime minister [Boris] Johnson. The talks need to continue,” Macron told reporters on the sidelines of the Cop26 climate conference in Glasgow. “We’ll see where we are tomorrow at the end of the day, to see if things have really changed.”

France had been expected to impose extra customs checks and ban British fishing boats at some French ports from midnight with official sources initially reporting that neither side was backing down in their post-Brexit row over fishing rights.

Johnson’s spokesperson had said Britain had “robust” contingency plans in place if France followed through on its threats to introduce more border checks or stop some British vessels reaching French ports.

France has been infuriated that some of its small boats are being denied permission to fish in the waters around the UK and Channel Islands. The UK insists its licensing regime is reasonable and it will continue to require boats to provide evidence that they have previously fished in those waters on four days over the last four years.

it’s clear Boris caved in……look at the article, it’s clear enough.

 

[JohnD]

"Fog in Channel, Europe isolated"

 

[Lower]

it’s clear Boris caved in……look at the article, it’s clear enough.

Seriously notch, you’ve become as radicalised about the eu and our government as Ellal has about coronavirus

 

[Notch7]

Ooh look, Macron's chickened out.

Macron steps back from midnight threat against UK exports in fishing row (msn.com)

Macron steps back from midnight threat against UK exports in fishing row
Daniel Boffey, Rowena Mason and Jamie Grierson 23 mins ago

France’s president, Emmanuel Macron, has shelved his threat to clog up UK exports and ban its fishers from landing catches at French ports from midnight in a dispute over access to British fishing waters, as his deadline approached.

A proposal for further talks was put forward by Macron’s government late on Monday after Downing Street had said it was bracing for Paris to deliver on its vow to retaliate over the issue of fishing permits.

“Since this afternoon, discussions have resumed on the basis of a proposal I made to prime minister [Boris] Johnson. The talks need to continue,” Macron told reporters on the sidelines of the Cop26 climate conference in Glasgow. “We’ll see where we are tomorrow at the end of the day, to see if things have really changed.”

France had been expected to impose extra customs checks and ban British fishing boats at some French ports from midnight with official sources initially reporting that neither side was backing down in their post-Brexit row over fishing rights.

Johnson’s spokesperson had said Britain had “robust” contingency plans in place if France followed through on its threats to introduce more border checks or stop some British vessels reaching French ports.

France has been infuriated that some of its small boats are being denied permission to fish in the waters around the UK and Channel Islands. The UK insists its licensing regime is reasonable and it will continue to require boats to provide evidence that they have previously fished in those waters on four days over the last four years.

Boris has caved in

"My understanding is that the British were going to come back to us tomorrow with other proposals. All that will be worked on. We'll see where we are tomorrow at the end of the day, to see if things have really changed," he said

Macron has kindly given him another 24 hours.

French President Emmanuel Macron said on Monday he was postponing by one day planned trade sanctions on Britain

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/...hing-sanctions-on-uk-as-talks-set-to-continue

 

[Notch7]

Seriously notch, you’ve become as radicalised about the eu and our government as Ellal has about coronavirus

Ok, so what does history tell us about Johnson?
I can tell you: he caved in on WA, he caved in on Trade agreement, he caved in on fishing negotiations, he has caved in every time.



See my subsequent post.

here’s the reality:

Macron had a discussion with Johnson and has extended the deadline for 24 hours.

 

[noseall]

Boris has caved in

Correct. Lol.

 

[noseall]

you’ve become as radicalised about the eu and our government as Ellal has about coronavirus

Seriously lower, have you read the Wail/Express/Torygraph bile filly and his anti-EU sycophants regurgitate?

Those papers and the idiots that believe them are obsessed with the EU.

 

[Notch7]

France has the support of all the most powerful EU nations and all UK major EU major trading countries.

they are all sick and tired of Johnson antics, acting in bad faith and stirring trouble.

Macron is tactically wrong to threaten to rule break….he is just playing the same game as Johnson, which makes him a target for brexers to foam at the mouth (they don’t see the irony of moaning about Macron, when Johnson who they voted for has behaved far worse).