The Future?

Only so far back. The present nihilism is due to the abandonment of Christianity.
Or maybe that there were only a few million of us for hundreds of thousands of years, and we died off quickly. In the last hundred years we've gone from 2 billion to 8 billion

It's a lot easier to live as a drain on resources when a few organisms don't represent a total ability to outstrip the rate at which those resources can be replenished

creating the wealth,
that, for example, establishes a permanent economic divide between black people and white people
inventing things
that are often inadvertently or deliberately converted to weapons or means of destruction of the resources that all life draws on, in the rush to exploit them as much as possible to create more wealth
and building the world we enjoy today with all it's many benefits
and it's detractors, rampant overplundering of the environment and leaving a trail of waste in our wake, the output of our inventions
Also fighting wars against aggressors, plus defending their territory from invading undesirables
which is human divisiveness at its finest, represented at all levels from the micro on social media, to the macro of world wars; squabbling over resources
All in very difficult circumstances with very basic technology.
We haven't had basic technology for about as long as we've been accelerating the march towards oblivion

Those horrible, backwards ancestors - how quickly we forget!
Modern day humans are no better; they're every bit as backward, everywhere you choose to point the microscope at the planet earth petri dish
 
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I see nothing wrong with EV's in the right place, we have been electrifying the railways for years, and my ebike is handy to nip to doctors surgery, or local shops, but the electric car is not the right way to use electric vehicles in many cases.

We have a lady at the railway where I volunteer with an electric car, and no option to charge at home, we have a pair of EV charging points, and she uses one to charge her car, and her phone tells her when charged so she moves it from the charge point.

But most users plug their car in, then go an play trains, which in the main takes two hours, it does not matter if the 22 kW point can charge it in ¼ hour or 2 hours, the charge point is taken up for 2 hours. Also many cars can't charge at 22 kW, many are single phase only so 7 kW maximum with AC charge points, and even the 3 phase cars owners have complained only charging at 11 kW and I checked to see if phase lost, and no all three phases were good.

We have one user who comes to visit his mother, and his car will stay at charging point most of the day, it is quite a walk from his mothers house to the railway, he is clearly not going to nip down to move his car.

So we see huge claims about fitting recharge point, Rhyl a holiday town has the most in Wales it seems, 36 from memory in one car park, but the cars parked in Rhyl in the summer number in the 1000's, and people are not going to walk back to their car to move it, also the spaces are wider for electric cars, so a car park able to take 1000 standard cars, is down to around 800 once converted to take electric cars.

As said electric vehicles are good, in the right place, no reason not to electrify all of the railways, but what is needed is an infrastructure change, as it stands I can't get to a hospital appointment by public transport, the buses and trains start running too late, and stop running too early for me to use them to get to and from Shrewsbury. And the distance is too far to be able to afford a taxi, looking at 50 miles, also too far to do on ebike. Even with peddling on these hills the range is around 25 miles, I can make Welshpool and back 16 miles, I can't make Newtown and back 11 miles by car, but hills too steep, so need to go vie Welshpool, so 20 miles each way.

Once we can drive to the station and put our car on the train like when going to France then we may be able to use electric cars, but to drive over 50 miles radius with an electric car is at the moment not really an option, as re-charge points are not like a petrol station where we fill and go, they are parking bays, so even when car is charged, bays not vacated.
 
I see nothing wrong with EV's in the right place, we have been electrifying the railways for years, and my ebike is handy to nip to doctors surgery, or local shops, but the electric car is not the right way to use electric vehicles in many cases.

We (most who drive) need two vehicles - an EV for the short range, regular use, then IC for the longer distances, where stopping on route to recharge is a nonsense. EV's are only a sensible option for those who have the facility at home, or work, to recharge.
 
We (most who drive) need two vehicles - an EV for the short range, regular use, then IC for the longer distances, where stopping on route to recharge is a nonsense. EV's are only a sensible option for those who have the facility at home, or work, to recharge.
But the EV for short range costs a lot more to buy than the petrol engine equivalent so it may never be possible to recover the extra cost of the vehicle in savings on fuel costs.
 
But the EV for short range costs a lot more to buy than the petrol engine equivalent so it may never be possible to recover the extra cost of the vehicle in savings on fuel costs.

Yes, I appreciate that - I was just comparing the practicalities of use, rather than cost.

I personally could not justify an EV, my local trips can be done on foot, or the bus, my longer trips just would not suit, nor would they be practical except with IC.
 
What happens if you run out of charge on the road ? Similar to running out of petrol ?
It seems the RAC do have generators to recharge the car.
We (most who drive) need two vehicles
I can park four vehicles within my premises, but this is unusual, many only have parking for one vehicle, so the one must do all.
But the EV for short range costs a lot more to buy than the petrol engine equivalent so it may never be possible to recover the extra cost of the vehicle in savings on fuel costs.
My e-bike was not that expensive, when I first was looking for a bike, I was looking for hydraulic disc brakes, and gears with a single button for up/down ect, and was looking at Halfords web site to see which was the cheapest bike with all I wanted, and the cheapest was the electric bike my wife has bought. So yes it cost around £1,700 but most of that was not for the mid motor electric bit.

OK when I did get my ebike, was in a hurry as my driving licence had expired and the people who were renewing it were very slow, so needed transport fast, so found one second hand (4 miles on the clock so near enough new) at £750 which also folded, cable disc brakes, and button for up on gears, not down, and motor in wheel no centre, so not ideal, but it was an emergency as no licence, and railway had stopped running due to Colvid.

For short runs
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the Citroen Ami with 28 MPH max speed could work, but would not want to travel the 50 mile return trip to Shrewsbury in one of those.
 
What happens if you run out of charge on the road ? Similar to running out of petrol ?
I've often wondered about that. In the old days of mopeds if you ran out of petrol you could pedal the rest of the way. Mopeds, as well as having a MOtor, had PEDals.

If I ever get a Tesla I'd choose one with pedals.
 
In the old days of mopeds if you ran out of petrol you could pedal the rest of the way. Mopeds, as well as having a MOtor, had PEDals.
Not a chance, I had a Honda P50, pedal as fast as you could, it was less than walking pace, the pedals were used to start it, and assist it on steep hills.
 
I had one of these when I first started work because my workplace was difficult to get to by bus and being 16, it was all I was allowed to drive and could afford.
You had to pedal like crazy for very little distance. I’m glad I never ran out of petrol.
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I had one of these when I first started work because my workplace was difficult to get to by bus and being 16, it was all I was allowed to drive and could afford.
You had to pedal like crazy for very little distance. I’m glad I never ran out of petrol.

The pedals were there, simply to meet the legal requirements, and to start the engine. Pedalling without the engine, was incredibly slow, hard work.
 
I wonder how many chargers will be installed in holiday centres to cater for summer crowds. Motorway service stations as well.

Commuting a bit different. A typical household supply is likely to be able to cope for most people. No off street parking - that could be catered for even if just by more "lamp post" like things or long leads and some method of preventing people from tripping over them.

Hydrogen. Seems specific energy is good but volumentric efficiency rather crap. Rather strong fuel tank needed, Just read not checked. Less boot space?
 
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