The key NHS targets that don't need to be met like transgender awareness

[carmanmemoranda]

You can have as many beds as you like but they ain’t a lot of good if you haven’t got the nurses to attend to the people laying in them.

It's good that you understand a big part of the problem.

Any idea why there might be staff shortages, regardless of where they come from

 

[Mottie]

It's good that you understand a big part of the problem.

Any idea why there might be staff shortages, regardless of where they come from

Err, because where we get them from have shortages in their own country perhaps. What I can’t understand, is, if all these EU workers that the nasty Brexit bastard U.K. kicked out have gone home, why do those countries also have the same shortages that we have? Where have they gone? If they still have shortages in those countries, are you happy to make their situation worse to make ours better - it’s not as if those countries have a glut of health workers, is it?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Err, because where we get them from have shortages in their own country perhaps. What I can’t understand, is, if all these EU workers that the nasty Brexit bastard U.K. kicked out have gone home, why do those countries also have the same shortages that we have? Where have they gone? If they still have shortages in those countries, are you happy to make their situation worse to make ours better - it’s not as if those countries have a glut of health workers, is it?

I did say regardless of where they come from but you went straight onto the brexit thing, trying to blame it away.

So let's try again

What about uk citizens ? Why do you think there might be a shortage of staff.?

 

[fillyboy]

I wonder who's responsible for setting the overall funding of public services.

I'm pretty sure I know who sets the pay.

It's this bunch, isn't it.

Underpaid, understaffed, under-resourced.

No wonder they keep leaving

Westminster does not control the amount Scotland spends on its NHS - Full Fact

Although Scotland receives funds from the UK Government, it can spend them on any devolved services.

fullfact.org

 

[Roy Bloom]

Err, because where we get them from have shortages in their own country perhaps. What I can’t understand, is, if all these EU workers that the nasty Brexit bastard U.K. kicked out have gone home, why do those countries also have the same shortages that we have? Where have they gone? If they still have shortages in those countries, are you happy to make their situation worse to make ours better - it’s not as if those countries have a glut of health workers, is it?

The percentage of EU Health staff in UK is about the same now as pre-Breixt, about 5%. If anything it's risen post-Breixt, from about 4%
So your comments about EU workers are based on a false premise.

 

[Roy Bloom]

I did say regardless of where they come from but you went straight onto the brexit thing, trying to blame it away.

So let's try again

What about uk citizens ? Why do you think there might be a shortage of staff.?

His Brexit tirade was nonsense, and factually inaccurate.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Westminster does not control the amount Scotland spends on its NHS - Full Fact

Although Scotland receives funds from the UK Government, it can spend them on any devolved services.

fullfact.org

Over the decades the NHS has been funded more generously in Scotland than in England: spending per head in the former has been 20–25% higher than in the latter (a difference only partly balanced by the higher rate of private spending in England).

England vs Scotland: Does More Money Mean Better Health?

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A factor not included in NHS targets is the underlying health of the regions.
It's probably reasonable to assume that England has a higher underlying health standard than other parts of UK.
But that's only an assumption on my part.

 

[Brigadier]

I wonder how the NHS compares to other similar countries?

Well! Upon my soul! Who would have thought it?

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Right next to Sweden.
Must be because we're all so healthy, we don't need 'em.

(Dark humour above, btw)

 

[Brigadier]

Uk can’t maintain the few beds it does have , sister in law went in a couple of days ago with chest infection and pneumonia , so little staff she was not offered a single drink or meal for 36hours.

Doubling as "fat camp" too: now that's joined-up healthcare.

 

[JohnD]

The percentage of EU Health staff in UK is about the same now as pre-Breixt, about 5%. If anything it's risen post-Breixt, from about 4%
So your comments about EU workers are based on a false premise.

Although your graph shows it rising from 2009, while UK was part of EU, the rise stopped at about the time of the referendum, and subsequently entered a decline

Your graph also shows Asian and African, previously in decline, starting to rise at about the same time.

 

[Murdochcat]

I wonder who appointed Richard Meddings CBE, Chair of NHS England?

Could it have been Health and Social Care Secretary Sajid Javid?

Yes, it could, and it was.

Did Richard work his way to the top in the NHS?

No, he was parachuted in after being in management in the financial services industry.

And you think these people have ANY impact on the operation day to day?


my misses works in a clinic Ona Thursday consultants, doctors, specialist nurses etc

Unless one specialist nurse stands and regulates the flow of people the consultants and doctors let people leave without seeing the specialist nurses . It’s chaos - is this the fault of the Government?

 

[JohnD]

Do the people running an organisation have any influence on it, you ask?

 

[Roy Bloom]

Although your graph shows it rising from 2009, while UK was part of EU, the rise stopped at about the time of the referendum, and subsequently entered a decline

A very marginal decline of EU workers from about 2016, from about 5.6% to about 5.2%. Hardly worth worrying about, and certainly not enough to warrant Mottie's comments:

Err, because where we get them from have shortages in their own country perhaps. What I can’t understand, is, if all these EU workers that the nasty Brexit bastard U.K. kicked out have gone home, why do those countries also have the same shortages that we have? Where have they gone? If they still have shortages in those countries, are you happy to make their situation worse to make ours better - it’s not as if those countries have a glut of health workers, is it?

If the NHS staff are about 1,500,000 then the change of EU staffing is about 6,000 EU staff difference between 2015 and 2023, spread between the 27 member nations of the EU, about 200 health staff from each member nation. Or each member nation is providing 0.013% of UK's health workers
Hardly worth writing home about, and so small to be not noticeable, from each EU member nation's perspective.
If UK had a shortge of 200 health workers, it would hardly be called a 'shortage'. The same applies to each EU member nation.

 

[Murdochcat]

Do the people running an organisation have any influence on it, you ask?

From the highest levels down to the "delivery" level - I doubt it.

Do you remember the TV programme "Back to the Floor"

Back to the Floor (British TV series) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I doubt very much has changed

 

[Murdochcat]

I wonder who's responsible for setting the overall funding of public services.

The tax payers ........... you know the people who want better services but don't want to pay any more tax or NI