The living Wage

[Hairymelon]

That doesnt answer your question.

There are no socialist countries anywhere in the world and never have been.

There are many countries around the world that claim to be socialists. Current states that follow the Marxist-Leninist principles include the Laos People's Democratic Republic, the People's Republic of China, the Republic of Cuba, and the Socialist Republic of Vietnam

Thanks for the usual googled hair splitting bull schitt

 

[Notch7]

Thanks for the usual googled hair splitting bull schitt

'Hair splitting bull schitt'


Clearly you would learn something if Bodd explained socialism to you

 

[Bodd]

'Hair splitting bull schitt'


Clearly you would learn something if Bodd explained socialism to you

Hello Karatekid

Please forgive me I've just quickly knocked this up for you. It's a request from Notchy...

Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised buy social ownership of tbe means of production and workers' self-management, as well as the political theories and moovements asociated with them. Social ownership can be public, collective or cooperative ownership, or citizen ownership of equity.

Excuse my poor spelling. But if you need more information please ask...

Bod

 

[Notch7]

Which countries are socialist countries?

Thats your question.....

But you linked this:
Democratic Socialist Countries 2019

And from your link:
The goal of democratic socialism is to achieve socialist goals of equality while opposing socialist ideologies

A socialist country is not the same as a democratic socialist country.

Tell karatekid he dont understand

 

[Bodd]

Thats your question.....

But you linked this:
Democratic Socialist Countries 2019

And from your link:
The goal of democratic socialism is to achieve socialist goals of equality while opposing socialist ideologies

A socialist country is not the same as a democratic socialist country.

Tell karatekid he dont understand

A good example of Socialism working well is a Kibbutz. Don't know much but I know that.

 

[fillyboy]

The minimum wage was introduced by labour in 1998 to great oppostion by the Tories.

Yes, and the NHS was introduced by a Labour Govt (after a cross party consensus and stalling tactics by the same party) to great opposition by vast swathes of the Labour Party (trade unions) and, believe it or not, Doctors, who were concerned about a drop in pay (they needn't have worried).

Anyway Galahad, you're spot on, the Labour party have done more than any other political party to put as many people as possible on minimum wage, that's quite an achievement, you must feel proud..

 

[sodthisforfun]

Anyway Galahad, you're spot on, the Labour party have done more than any other political party to put as many people as possible on minimum wage, that's quite an achievement, you must feel proud..

How good of them to ensure that those people paid way way below got better pay eh?

 

[fillyboy]

A good example of Socialism working well is a Kibbutz. Don't know much but I know that.

It was certainly an efficient organisation Bodd, I think (from memory) something like 20% of the population who worked on the kibbutz were responsible for something like 80% of the Israel's GDP, that's quite an achievement. I lived on one for nine months between 1976-1977, a small one, cotton fields, dairy herd, grapefruit, oranges etc,.

I'd like to think that my 'hard graft' played a strong part in those impressive statistics, truth be told, most of my time was taken up by drinking, shagging, and tending to a small marijuana plantation on the Golan Heights which was sadly discovered and destroyed by an Israeli army patrol.

Going back to your original point, it was possibly the purist and most efficient form of socialism, or communism, much like Aldous Huxley's 'Island', but not without it's faults, and from what I can gather, it's diminishing at an alarming rate as the youngsters are seduced away from it by Capitalism.

On the one hand I feel it's inevitable that the 'kids' will move away from that type of environment to an exciting new world of free markets and capitalism, on the other hand, it makes me quite sad, after all, the kibbutz organisation grew from planting a few oranges and grapefruits to owning their own shipping lines and exporting all over the world, if that's not Capitalism I don't know what is.

What a world of contradictions we live in eh?

 

[fillyboy]

How good of them to ensure that those people paid way way below got better pay eh?

Aside from Gypsies and Romanian gangmasters, there really weren't that many people paying below the minimum wage, market forces took care of that. The minimum wage set a minimum target, and everyone aspired to that, happy days for anyone not wanting to pay a decent wage.

That makes you feel good does it?

 

[SirGalahad]

Aside from Gypsies and Romanian gangmasters, there really weren't that many people paying below the minimum wage, market forces took care of that. The minimum wage set a minimum target, and everyone aspired to that, happy days for anyone not wanting to pay a decent wage.

That makes you feel good does it?

Your dumber than Bodd and that takes some serious stupidity.

You don't aspire to a minimum wage, it's not an aspirational target, no more than stopping on Red is, its the legal requirement.

You can pay above the minimum wage but you said that market forces would allow companies to do that, then they could also pay below a theoretical minimum wage. Do you even think before you write some RWR crap.

 

[sodthisforfun]

Aside from Gypsies and Romanian gangmasters, there really weren't that many people paying below the minimum wage, market forces took care of that. The minimum wage set a minimum target, and everyone aspired to that, happy days for anyone not wanting to pay a decent wage.

That makes you feel good does it?

Honestly, that's a load of codswallop.

 

[SirGalahad]

OK look at it like this..

You have a job you need filling... You offer £8 per hour... Because that's the going rate..... No one even calls you.... What do you do? This job needs doing. You can afford to pay more.

What do you do.?????

I know I called you a Tit I know . But I'd still like this answering if you don't mind.

Dumbo, if it was the going rate then someone would take it, thus £8 isn't the going rate.

I would question whether you should be a plumber, I certaily wouldn't trust you near any gas appliance.

 

[sodthisforfun]

It was certainly an efficient organisation Bodd, I think (from memory) something like 20% of the population who worked on the kibbutz were responsible for something like 80% of the Israel's GDP, that's quite an achievement. I lived on one for nine months between 1976-1977, a small one, cotton fields, dairy herd, grapefruit, oranges etc,.

I'd like to think that my 'hard graft' played a strong part in those impressive statistics, truth be told, most of my time was taken up by drinking, shagging, and tending to a small marijuana plantation on the Golan Heights which was sadly discovered and destroyed by an Israeli army patrol.

Going back to your original point, it was possibly the purist and most efficient form of socialism, or communism, much like Aldous Huxley's 'Island', but not without it's faults, and from what I can gather, it's diminishing at an alarming rate as the youngsters are seduced away from it by Capitalism.

On the one hand I feel it's inevitable that the 'kids' will move away from that type of environment to an exciting new world of free markets and capitalism, on the other hand, it makes me quite sad, after all, the kibbutz organisation grew from planting a few oranges and grapefruits to owning their own shipping lines and exporting all over the world, if that's not Capitalism I don't know what is.

What a world of contradictions we live in eh?

Majority of the kibbutz have been privatised because they couldn't work.

 

[SirGalahad]

A Monmouth survey published in May found that only twenty-nine per cent of Americans consider socialism compatible with American values, yet fifty per cent believe socialism is “a way to make things fairer for working people.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/the-many-tangled-american-definitions-of-socialism

The RW media these RWR lap up has done a great job to weaponise the term (mostr RWR haven't a clue how markets or the economy works) but as long as something that may benefit them gets labelled as socialism they will automatically be against it.

Case in point RWR saying the ACA has helped them with health costs but they hate the socialised Obamacare (Obamacare is what the Republicans called the ACA to get RWR to vote against it).

They are not right in the head.

 

[SirGalahad]