The prime minister will launch a website later

[Gerrydelasel]

The problem is culture not race; some cultures place less emphasis on education. As we all know, education is the number one key to success in later life. Indian and Chinese pupils outperform other groups in all assessments; Black, Bangladeshi and Pakistani pupils perform less well than White pupils throughout compulsory schooling. Pakistani and Bangladeshi pupils perform the least well at Key Stage 1. At GCSE, Black Caribbean and Pakistani pupils are the worst performing groups.
http://webarchive.nationalarchives....cations/eOrderingDownload/RTP01-03MIG1734.pdf
This trend is observed even in inner city schools where the staff are largely BME. Again, culture. Chinese and Indian culture places extreme value on success and independence, black culture does not (especially urban youth culture).

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

I fear that this "Audit" will be another of TM's damp squids.
As Home Office minister her record was dismal, as PM her record has been dismal.
As David Lammy said, "We simply can’t let this racial disparity audit bring forth more talking shops. We’ve had a lot of talk, it’s now time for action.”
and Communities secretary Sajid Javid said "the data would not provide the answers to why disparity existed,"
and Omar Khan, director of the Runnymede Trust, said: “Once the details of the audit are digested, we want to see a comprehensive and government-wide plan with the goal of eliminating racial barriers in a generation.”
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...sparities-in-uk-schools-courts-and-workplaces

The data has been available for a while, all this 'website' is doing is collating the data.
Even Theresa May said, “People who have lived with discrimination don’t need a government audit to make them aware of the scale of the challenge."
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...sparities-in-uk-schools-courts-and-workplaces

It looks good for TM, but will it be another PM's good intentions come to nought?

 

[Notch7]

I fear that this "Audit" will be another of TM's damp squids.
As Home Office minister her record was dismal, as PM her record has been dismal.
As David Lammy said, "We simply can’t let this racial disparity audit bring forth more talking shops. We’ve had a lot of talk, it’s now time for action.”
and Communities secretary Sajid Javid said "the data would not provide the answers to why disparity existed,"
and Omar Khan, director of the Runnymede Trust, said: “Once the details of the audit are digested, we want to see a comprehensive and government-wide plan with the goal of eliminating racial barriers in a generation.”
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...sparities-in-uk-schools-courts-and-workplaces

The data has been available for a while, all this 'website' is doing is collating the data.
Even Theresa May said, “People who have lived with discrimination don’t need a government audit to make them aware of the scale of the challenge."
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...sparities-in-uk-schools-courts-and-workplaces

It looks good for TM, but will it be another PM's good intentions come to nought?

The above doesnt make much sense, it was Theresa May that asked David Lammy to do the report about racial discrimination of the criminal justice system.

Another LWR rant

 

[JohnD]

The problem is culture not race

The problem is unthinking prejudice and discrimination.

Perhaps you are right when you say it is caused by a racist culture permeating society.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

The above doesnt make much sense, it was Theresa May that asked David Lammy to do the report about racial discrimination of the criminal justice system.

Another LWR rant

Oh dear! Wrong again!

In January 2016, the former Prime Minister David Cameron asked David Lammy to lead a review of the Criminal Justice System in England and Wales, to investigate evidence of possible bias against black defendants and other ethnic minorities.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/lammy-publishes-historic-review
Do you ever get fed up of being wrong?
Or are you going to continue making it a habit?

Another RWR rant!

Perhaps a more enlightened response from you would have been to discuss the findings of the David Lammy review, and thereby contribute to the discussion.
Or are you determined to turn every thread into a slanging match between you and I?

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

The problem is unthinking discrimination.

Perhaps you are right when you say it is caused by a racist culture permeating society.

I do not think it permeates all society, but it is taught to children from an early age in some homes.

 

[JohnD]

it does have to be taught, or at least absorbed.

 

[Notch7]

Oh dear! Wrong again!

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/lammy-publishes-historic-review
Do you ever get fed up of being wrong?
Or are you going to continue making it a habit?

Another RWR rant!

Perhaps a more enlightened response from you would have been to discuss the findings of the David Lammy review, and thereby contribute to the discussion.
Or are you determined to turn every thread into a slanging match between you and I?

this states the report was commissioned by both prime ministers:

David Lammy MP has released his much-awaited government-sponsored review into the treatment of black and ethnic minority (BME) people in the criminal justice system of England and Wales. Significantly this review was commissioned by two Prime Ministers – David Cameron and Theresa May – because both felt they could no longer ignore the “burning injustice” of racial inequality in the criminal justice system.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politi...eview-bursts-myth-link-between-race-and-crime

I dont know the solution to ending racism. introducing laws and regulations can help to reduce it in the workplace and schools etc, but a cultural shift is needed to try and end peoples inbuilt prejudice.

I think there needs to be a shift in approach to some extent. The PC approach where we are afraid to make a mistake on anything is just sill. For example when councils start calling Christmas celebrations winter wonderland. Also the same thing applies to being able to tell the truth, so where there are issues relating to race we shouldnt have to hide from them (Rotherham for example).

I suppose it is natural to choose people of the same background and I can see that could be a reason for businesses not choosing foreign named applicants.

It might be time to stop talking about multicultural society, as that isnt really always true, we have a multi ethnic society. Groups of different ethnicity around the country existing together but not neccesarily mixing cultures.

 

[Ihavenojob]

and you think that an identical application form or CV is treated equally when the name is changed from, say, "Smith" to "Singh" or "Choudury?"

It isn't.

How have you lived so long and not known?

Smith wouldn't get a look in at PC world or KFC

 

[JohnD]

Rotherham

Smith

a long history of cover-ups

first reports 1979
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...r-cover-up-child-abuse-conspired-fail-victims
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...d-abuse-inquiry-finds-no-evidence-of-cover-up
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/09/mi5-knew-cover-up-cyril-smith-child-abuse-inquiry-hears/

yesterday:
"MI5 knew the country’s chief prosecutor had covered up a sex abuse inquiry into Cyril Smith but did nothing because it was not its job to expose paedophiles, an inquiry has heard".

"Files released by the intelligence agency show it was aware that the Director of Public prosecutions (DPP) had lied to a newspaper over its decision not to prosecute Smith"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/09/mi5-knew-cover-up-cyril-smith-child-abuse-inquiry-hears/

"Former Lancashire police officers, Greater Manchester police officers and Metropolitan police officers all knew.
Thames Valley detectives knew. Special Branch knew. Even former prime minister Margaret Thatcher had been warned."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...N-DANCZUK-MP-exposed-Cyril-Smith-scandal.html

 

[Deleted member 63160]

Hard to believe Gandalf was in trouble with the bill at such an early age.