To all those that welcome/encourage the small boat migrants.

[Mottie]

I would be surprised if you didn't have a small amount available to spend on gambling if you really wanted to.

I only gamble what I can afford to lose. I wouldn’t gamble anything if I was living on a so-called subsistence allowance.

 

[motorbiking]

I would be happy to give pushback a try. But I think a major problem might be the opposition from the France and the rest of the EU. It is very different to push boats back into the open sea, like Greece does, than it is to push them back into another country's waters. It would certainly be interesting to see what happens. Obviously, as long as nobody is put in danger.

You might want to look at a chart.

 

[motorbiking]

This was one of the Tory plans. They thought that by refusing to process any asylum applications from boat people, it would be a deterrent.

Numbers seemed to suggest it was working

 

[fillyboy]

 

[MNW67]

You might want to look at a chart.

What does that mean?

 

[motorbiking]

I want to ask a question about pre-Brexit because I can't remember what the rules were. If somebody had got into the EU illegally, what would have stopped them travelling to the UK on a plane and then claiming asylum.

People who wrongly blame Brexit, refer to the Dublin agreement. But if you look at the numbers it wasn’t great for the U.K.

 

[MNW67]

People who wrongly blame Brexit, refer to the Dublin agreement. But if you look at the numbers it wasn’t great for the U.K.

My question was about something totally different!

 

[MNW67]

You might want to look at a chart.

It was actually you who first made the point on the previous long thread that the Greece situation was different because they were pushing back into international waters. Is that not the case.

 

[motorbiking]

It was actually you who first made the point on the previous long thread that the Greece situation was different because they were pushing back into international waters. Is that not the case.

I don’t recall saying that.

The Greek situation is different because they have additional obligations under EU rules.

If you look at the wiggly lines on filly’s chart it shows the overlapping territorial waters.

 

[motorbiking]

My question was about something totally different!

Ultimately the Dublin agreement was put in place to allow people to be sent back who’d arrived from another EU country.

If your question is why couldn’t they get on a plane and fly to the U.K. We were never part of the Schengen agreement. So the airline would require ID etc. or get fined.

 

[MNW67]

If your question is why couldn’t they get on a plane and fly to the U.K. We were never part of the Schengen agreement. So the airline would require ID etc. or get fined.

Yes, that was my question. And also whether anything has changed with Brexit to make it harder for anyone trying this.

As well as checking for ID, do the airline also check for visas.

 

[MNW67]

I don’t recall saying that.

The Greek situation is different because they have additional obligations under EU rules.

If you look at the wiggly lines on filly’s chart it shows the overlapping territorial waters.

I might have misunderstood. It was when I was asking you about how pusback might work in the Channel and whether our waters and France's joined together.

So, to go back to what Greece do. Say they are pushing back a boat from Libya. If Greece and Libyan waters touch, presumably this means they are pushing back into Libyan waters. What is the eventual outcome in these cases. Does the boat return to Libya, does the boat hang around and try again, do they drown in Libyan waters.

 

[noseall]

I brought nothing up about addicts. Stop excusing their behaviour.

I'm not excusing their behaviour. You cynically inferred (poor) gambling addicts have "money left over" to gamble with. The truth is that they would use their last penny to gamble with, even if it meant going hungry.


It was almost as if you were saying, if poor people gamble, it must be spare cash - which of course is nonsense.

 

[noseall]

I only gamble what I can afford to lose.

I buy a lottery ticket or have a family flutter on the Grand National. Mottie and me gamble sensibly.

Would you say you were an addict Mottie? Do you know anyone with addictions? I do.

 

[Mottie]

Actually, no it wouldn't, my position is that they should apply to come here like anyone else and any criminal record will be exposed beforehand.

Do we have good, checkable intel on the Syrian, Eritrean, Afghani or any war torn countries law records on those that are allegedly fleeing persecution then?