Tommy Robinson fight back against BBC corruption

[jasonzyx]

Try a talk he did at Oxford University

Stephen/Tommy has morphed from a staunch critic of Islam to becoming the torchbearer for a large, mostly white, portion of the UK population which feels marginalised by what it regards as an out of touch, liberal elite.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-peace-freedom-speech-islam-edl-a8408441.html​

So Islam is his real concern, not sexual abuse!

I thought that by attending a Tommy Robinson speech I could understand his arguments – but there were none, only hate
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-peace-freedom-speech-islam-edl-a8408441.html​

 

[jasonzyx]

Ah - an explanation for all the errors.

Reread all the others where you have done that.

No wonder posters are loath to admit their mistakes with posters like you, claiming that one mistake must indicate a catalogue of mistakes.

I demonstrated this morning how flawed your argument about racism is.
But the thread was deleted without trace, and with no explanation, and for no apparent reason within minutes.
Obviously someone is protecting you from your own embarrassing mistakes and flawed ideologies.

My argument this morning was along the lines of your ideology could apply to the dictionary definition of racism.
But your ideology fundamentally fails when applied to the dictionary definition of antisemitism.
But you claim you have proven the dictionary definition wrong!

Whereas the socially constructed concept of racism and antisemitism can stand alongside and in parallel with both definitions.

I would add, that your ideology, 'that there is more than one race', is outdated, proven to be incorrect, and is fundamentally racist.

 

[Vinty]

This is the case in question:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-tells-rapists-relatives-terrified-trial.html

The rapists got something like 10 years each, 3 years ago, which means they will probably be out now, and continuing with their valuable contributions to our country.

I see that Vinty is on message... it's the victim's fault.

Were did i blame the victim, I thought your problem was with Pakistani rapists ,the rapists in you Daily Mail link are all Somalian.

 

[Vinty]

So on this occasion you choose to disagree with the Oxfod Dictionary definition?

Hostility to or prejudice against Jews.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/anti-semitism
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I guess you pick and choose which definitions to adopt, or not, as the situation dictates?

There are 300 million Semites in the world ,most of them non Jewish.

 

[jasonzyx]

There are 300 million Semites in the world ,most of them non Jewish.

I don't doubt that.
But the dictionary definition is not about 'race', it is about ethnicity, culture and nationality.
As we have determined there is only one human race.

The dictionary definitions of antisemitism and racism, are not about race because there is only one human race.
As they are socially constructed concepts, they can vary between societies.
What is considered 'black' in USA, is not the same as that in Russia or south America, etc.

 

[jasonzyx]

I thought your problem was with Pakistani rapists ,the rapists in you Daily Mail link are all Somalian.

So TR's concern with Pakistani abusers is misguided again?

 

[noseall]

Tommy Robinson. Is not a racist

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[EFLImpudence]

It makes one wonder why they can't or don't just call it anti-jewish or anti-Israeli, but, of course, we all know why.

 

[EFLImpudence]

I don't doubt that.

Yet you perpetuate the myth.

How can a definition of anti-semitism be restricted to a tiny proportion of the semites in the world?

 

[Vinty]

So, you agree the definition is ridiculous.
Like saying anti-Celtic is prejudice against catholics or Ireland - and you could be anti-Celtic by prejudice against a black catholic.


I didn't know that.


I'm not surprised.

If you take words to mean what they actually mean it is very simple.
You obviously didn't read the article I linked to recently in my "The Truth Is Out There" thread.

Semitism has nothing to do with being jewish or not.
Some semites are jewish; some are not.
Some jews are semites; some are not.

So, you (assuming you are not jewish nor semitic) having prejudice against a Palestinian muslim because he is semitic.

IHRA working definition of anti-Semitism.
Anti- Semitism is a certain perception of Jews which may be expressed as hatred of Jews ,Rhetorical and physical manifestations of anti-semitism are directed toward Jewish and Non Jewish individuals and /or their property. Towards Jewish community and religious facilities.

 

[Bodd]

If he was really concerned about abuse of children, he would also be concerned about the abuse by catholic leaders, which is far more vile and endemic, than that perpetrated by Pakistani men.
But not a peep from him about the abuse by Catholic leaders.

Again ill say the Catholic priests and Nuns in his area may not have been upto no good, to his knowledge. Or he was aware of their marching and chanting death to no believers and homosexuals and telling white women to cover up.

Maybe they were.can you show me evidence that they were?

 

[jasonzyx]

Yet you perpetuate the myth.

What myth is that?
You do like your obscure references to something which cannot be precisely defined.

How can a definition of anti-semitism be restricted to a tiny proportion of the semites in the world?

Simple, because antisemitism is a socially constructed concept, as is racism.

if you would use whatever influence you have with the mods to allow me to post, and not delete, an explicit explanation of how both racism and antisemitism are socially constructed concepts, and cannot coexist under the racialist ideology, that you prefer, I'm happy to post it again.

 

[jasonzyx]

Again ill say the Catholic priests and Nuns in his area may not have been upto no good, to his knowledge. Or he was aware of their marching and chanting death to no believers and homosexuals and telling white women to cover up.

Maybe they were.can you show me evidence that they were?

No. You are his devout follower, not me.

You asked earlier if you were on the list.
I did explain that you weren't, and that there were criteria that could allow you to be on the list.
As a devout follower of TR, you are quickly meeting such criteria.

 

[jasonzyx]

It makes one wonder why they can't or don't just call it anti-jewish or anti-Israeli, but, of course, we all know why.

Do we all know why?
Please do give us your idea of why it is called antisemitism, and not anti-jewish, or anti- Israel.

 

[EFLImpudence]

What myth is that?
You do like your obscure references to something which cannot be precisely defined.

That only jews are semitic.

Simple, because antisemitism is a socially constructed concept, as is racism.

Maybe, but it only applies to jews/Israel; not all the other semites.

if you would use whatever influence you have with the mods to allow me to post, and not delete, an explicit explanation of how both racism and antisemitism are socially constructed concepts, and cannot coexist under the racialist ideology, that you prefer, I'm happy to post it again.

You keep on about "socially constructed"; that does not mean it is correct.