Google, 'presidents rated', and wiki will come up. There's polls from various sources (journos, academics, public etc) on there, and they are reasonably similar. The academic one I (think) posted will be from people who 'studied' presidents, rather than 'any old' academic.
Trump home raided
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It boils the fat orange tw4ts' pi$$ massively that Obama received the Nobel Peace prize. Trump - worlds' most famous loser., no wars were started and the immigration problem started to be addressed..
****, we can't have that can we, it must be stopped. Crack on nutters, save the world.
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And still rated by a few in here.
500, 000 in past 6 months nearly a million in less than 2 years thats known gottaway how many more unknown
Over 500,000 immigrant ‘gotaways’ at US border may be roaming the country: report
There have been over 500,000 “gotaway” immigrants that have crossed the US border and evaded capture since the start of the fiscal year, according to a report.nypost.com
Agreed the figures are people detained at the border, rather than people that secretly crossed the border. No one has exact figures for the latter group, nevertheless, some groups of people choose to automatically assume that it must be proportional to the number of people detained at the border.
For all we know, the border forces may have become more efficient...
Regardless, by all accounts, most of the people that are in the USA illegally are people that entered legally and overstayed their visas. Statistically, they are less likely to be involved in crime and financially are net contributors to the economy.
Trump has a history of exploiting illegal workers and then threatening to have them deported if they complain about the poor wages and conditions.
What Donald Trump Knew About Undocumented Workers at His Signature Tower
He has long denied knowingly using undocumented workers to demolish the building that would be replaced with Trump Tower
time.com
There are many other examples of his employing illegals. This is the same sad sack that use to purchase Chinese steel for his buildings but who as president whacked extra tariffs on UK(EU) steel.
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Be fair, Trump managed to get a few middle eastern countries to agree to officially formalise "normalised" relations with Israel in return for an option to purchase the latest F35 jets (previously they were only allowed to purchase older versions).
None of the countries had engaged in conflicts with Israel for years.
Within weeks of a couple of far right academics in Norway putting Trump's name forward for the Nobel Peace prize, Israel was bombing Palestine and the Palestinians were lobbing mortar bombs back.
It seems they did.
Trump Mar-a-Lago home searched over ‘likely’ efforts to hide files, DoJ says
Court filing alleges files were found despite Trump lawyers saying all documents had been returned
www.theguardian.com
Apparently that's not what happened, Trump's lawyers forbade the recovery team from looking in the boxes or Trump's desk.
DOJ: 'Efforts Were Likely Taken' To Obstruct Probe Of Trump's Classified Documents
The Justice Department laid out a detailed timeline of events and revealed a photo of some documents recovered at Mar-a-Lago.
It sounds like they didn't just lift everything, and they did find clearly marked documents, just as everyone else said.
Everything Trump and his supporters told you about this has been wrong.
Trump really is a moron.
He has since said that the basement room (with loads of boxes of stolen government property) was secure. He then said that it was used to store Melania's clothes. I very much doubt that the people sent down to the room to retrieve her clothes had clearance to read classified documents.
And before anyone chimes in with "yeah but he had a standing order to declassify any document that he took out of the Whitehouse"- I call BS on that.
If he had declassified the documents, there would have been no need for him to steal them. A declassified document enters the public domain. If he wanted a copy, he could have obtained one via a freedom of information request. But there is the rub, he would have had to tell someone that he had declassified it in the first place- without doing so he could not have requested a copy under the freedom of information act.
He took over 300 classified documents. If he is telling the truth, everyone of those documents can now be read by any Tom, Dick and Harry. Why would a dethroned president put national security at risk by doing that?
And why on earth would he have such a standing order in the first place? Presidents often take classified documents from the Whitehouse to read at their properties at the weekend. No other presidents have ever needed to declassify a document just to take it off site. The others have just followed protocols and ensured that secret service agents secure the documents in approved briefcases.
Trump is a compulsive liar, but in spite of his decades of lying, he lacks the ability to craft plausible lies. He just spurts the first lie that springs to mind and assumes that his worshippers would follow it hook, line and sinker. Regrettably, he is correct about that. Fortunately, a court will not blindly accept his lies and will ask for proof.
Espionage Act aside, he has broken the 1978 Presidential Records Act (the moment that he stole government property). That alone could result in a fine, 2 years in jail or disqualification from ever holding government office. The guy stole government property, refused to return it, eventually returned some and said that he didn't have anymore. Then when the DoJ turned up, he admitted that he had more in the basement room and promised that he had no further documents. Again he lied.
If there is any justice, at an absolute minimum, he will be barred from working for the government again. He stole, he lied, he lied again. Any one else would have handcuffed long before now.
He has since said that the basement room (with loads of boxes of stolen government property) was secure. He then said that it was used to store Melania's clothes. I very much doubt that the people sent down to the room to retrieve her clothes had clearance to read classified documents.
And before anyone chimes in with "yeah but he had a standing order to declassify any document that he took out of the Whitehouse"- I call BS on that.
If he had declassified the documents, there would have been no need for him to steal them. A declassified document enters the public domain. If he wanted a copy, he could have obtained one via a freedom of information request. But there is the rub, he would have had to tell someone that he had declassified it in the first place- without doing so he could not have requested a copy under the freedom of information act.
He took over 300 classified documents. If he is telling the truth, everyone of those documents can now be read by any Tom, Dick and Harry. Why would a dethroned president put national security at risk by doing that?
And why on earth would he have such a standing order in the first place? Presidents often take classified documents from the Whitehouse to read at their properties at the weekend. No other presidents have ever needed to declassify a document just to take it off site. The others have just followed protocols and ensured that secret service agents secure the documents in approved briefcases.
Trump is a compulsive liar, but in spite of his decades of lying, he lacks the ability to craft plausible lies. He just spurts the first lie that springs to mind and assumes that his worshippers would follow it hook, line and sinker. Regrettably, he is correct about that. Fortunately, a court will not blindly accept his lies and will ask for proof.
Espionage Act aside, he has broken the 1978 Presidential Records Act (the moment that he stole government property). That alone could result in a fine, 2 years in jail or disqualification from ever holding government office. The guy stole government property, refused to return it, eventually returned some and said that he didn't have anymore. Then when the DoJ turned up, he admitted that he had more in the basement room and promised that he had no further documents. Again he lied.
If there is any justice, at an absolute minimum, he will be barred from working for the government again. He stole, he lied, he lied again. Any one else would have handcuffed long before now.
Lets see what happens at the end of the investigation prob exactly same as two impeachments and the false russian collusion charges that turned out to actually be hilary .
Good to see the hunter biden laptop investigation which if carried out right in the first place would have allowed trump back into power is starting to take shape with zuckerburg admitting the FBI approached them and asked them to suppress any information and the FBI agent in charge of it resigning this week and being escorted from his office with several whistle blowers coming out with what has been going on resulting in him being removed from investigation by the head of the FBI
Good to see the hunter biden laptop investigation which if carried out right in the first place would have allowed trump back into power is starting to take shape with zuckerburg admitting the FBI approached them and asked them to suppress any information and the FBI agent in charge of it resigning this week and being escorted from his office with several whistle blowers coming out with what has been going on resulting in him being removed from investigation by the head of the FBI
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Assuming your information and comments are correct.
2 wrongs make a right? None of what you said makes Trump right by the law.
As i said wait and see what the outcome is, from previous history it has turned out to be fake information and trumped up charges which get shown to be that when ALL the info comes out
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Fully prepared to wait and see, it is the only way to be fair. Where has lots of fake information come from though?
And what relevance does another wrong make in this case? This case stands or falls on its own, nothing to do with anything else.
Almost a hint of truth in this post, but didn't quite get over the line. Good try though. Next time pick an impartial source and not Fox news boyo.
That's not true either. The Muller investigation wasn't allowed to bring charges and it was damning, no fakery at all. The impeachments were voted down by party politics, he was judged by a jury of which 50% were his lackeys.
The January 6th investigation is still ongoing. The Georgia vote tampering is still ongoing. The illegal handling of documents is still ongoing, and as we've seen he has lied about that heavily.
so the 3 charges was he found to be wrong /guilty in any of them NO and i suggest you do a good bit more of reading into the muller inquiry and investigations afterwards to see who was at the bottom of it , its all there to be read , Try it without blinkers on it might help you to understand it a bit better .
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The Muller Investigation was not empowered to find guilt. Bill Bar misrepresented the Muller report
en.wikipedia.org
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