What does it mean when Nige's lips are moving?

[JohnD]

What I don't get like you say, is we have had 3 years to sort this out and yet we are still not progressing forward with it.

Unfortunately, the people who want to leave have numerous incompatible ideas, and have been unable to agree on a course of action. To make a success of Brexit, they needed to agree the objectives before making the decision to leave. They still haven't agreed the objectives, and they say "no" to every alternative they're offered.

Before the referendum, Nigel said we'd have a free-trade agreement with the EU, and access to the single market. Now he says that Brexers didn't vote for that, they voted for no-deal.

Today, the Brexers say that the Northern Ireland border will be no problem so the Backstop we agreed (which only comes into force if no alternative solution is put in place) will never happen. However, they don't actually believe that, which is why they say UK can never agree to it.

 

[JohnD]

Because the person negotiating ( or making up the proposals)on our behalf does not want to leave the eu.

David Davies, you mean.

 

[transam]

The EU will.kick us out

 

[JohnD]

The EU will.kick us out

When you write a letter of resignation, and your term of notice expires, nobody needs to kick you out. You've left.

 

[Ihavenojob]

David Davies, you mean.

No, Terason May is coming up with the proposals, Davies is just the messenger .

 

[JohnD]

So Rice-Pudd and Buffoon keep opposing a deal because they don't want Brexit.

That makes sense.

If the Provisional Wing of the Tory party had supported their leader, we'd be out by now.

 

[JohnD]

Or as this Brexer says, we'll do worse for the next 30 years, but, she says, all Brexers and all Leavers know that and accept it.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=315212566061163

 

[noseall]

Brexit needs to be sorted, I just want to leave and forget about it.

Bad luck. The misery will haunt the UK for decades.

 

[Deleted member 63160]

The sad thing is they think these threads change peoples opinions.

They do. More people want Brexit because of them.

 

[noseall]

More people want Brexit because of them.

Lol.

 

[Notch7]

What I don't get like you say, is we have had 3 years to sort this out and yet we are still not progressing forward with it.

Thats because Leavers want a Brexit that cant be achieved.

What Brexit would you like.

 

[ellal]

I understand he's on a "fisical" regime.

More like he's on a "fiscal" regime...

You know the one...

Grab as much as he can for himself and fund his political ambitions by whatever means necessary, whether legal or illegal...

 

[JohnD]

What I don't get like you say, is we have had 3 years to sort this out and yet we are still not progressing forward with it.

I saw an interesting article today from a person who had sufficient fortitude to attend several Brexer rallies.

The problem is that the Brexers are a disparate bunch who want different things. Therefore there is no majority for any particular course of action, and they cannot agree among themselves.

"Among attendees of the rallies, there is support variously for Norway, Canada and Switzerland style deals, a range of WTO arrangements, leaving and staying in the single market, and no deals whatsoever. More than anything, people just want 'out' of the EU, without the complication of having to think about how that might come about.


"The Brexit party is a political pyramid scheme. It functions on the continued belief of its members that popular support will somehow compensate for a total lack of underlying purpose. It is collective responsibility for an impending disaster, but as long as we're all in it together, it doesn't really matter what 'it' is.


"In a garden centre car park in Devon, a crowd turned up to see a commodities trader turned MEP, a former Conservative shadow home secretary and a double-barrelled ex-rear admiral rail against the establishment."

and

"Behind the anger, though, there is little substance. Nearly everyone has a different vision for Brexit and is furious that it's not being implemented. Faced with the suggestion politicians should just get on with Brexit, Farage's supporters readily agree. But when it comes to defining a specific vision of that departure, there is little consensus. All the options are greyed out.


"Farage has readily admitted that no manifesto will be produced, and it is here that the Brexit party is at its weakest. Every claim that Brexit should precede any other policies must be met with the response: which Brexit?


"The devil is in the detail, and it is telling that none of the rallies we attend attempt to engage with the crowd's underlying concerns - inequality, immigration, employment, healthcare. The platitudes on offer are simply incapable of doing so. The secret to pro-Remain success in the upcoming elections surely lies in exposing this internal division, offering instead its own hopeful vision of the country, and incentivising young voters to turn out.


"It's not just that the Brexit party rallies are lacking in twenty somethings - there is scarcely a supporter who wouldn't have known decimalisation. The biggest threat to their electoral success comes from young people simply speaking up on May 23rd."


https://www.politics.co.uk/comment-...5Kwk5lfJlpmK5l3KsuHpd5daRffpHka48ohyA36FHKybE

Demographics tell us that the number of pro-EU voters now exceeds the number of anti-EU ones. Polls tell us that the majority of the population think that we were wrong to vote for Brexit; that Brexit is being badly mishandled; that the country will be worse off outside the EU; and that they want a new referendum.

It will be costly and wasteful to go through all the effort of leaving, and then rejoin in a few years, but that's what's likely to happen.

The majority of pro-EU voters increased yesterday, and today, and will increase again tomorrow. By about 1,350 votes every day

Even Brexers keep saying "This is worse than staying in!"

 

[Mfatic]

More like he's on a "fiscal" regime...

You know the one...

Grab as much as he can for himself and fund his political ambitions by whatever means necessary, whether legal or illegal...

It took a while for someone to respond.

 

[Ihavenojob]

If the Provisional Wing of the Tory party had supported their leader, we'd be

still shackled to the eu after the deal was done.