You don't want a dual RCD board. Have you understood anything at all that has been written above?
Seems Ricicle was right. "For God's sake......"
Seems Ricicle was right. "For God's sake......"
Which consumer unit to buy?
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Then they charge you for their labour, and then voilà - there's the total amount you have to pay.
But the electrician will have arrived at whatever balance of competitiveness and net income works for him. If he's trousering large amounts of excess money, no matter how charged for, he'll eventually run out of work.
If he's not trousering enough to pay his bills. eventually he'll go bust.
So assuming he's reached equilibrium, his mix of earnings will be so-much from labour and so-much from markup. If you deny him the latter he will simply increase the former - he will have no choice in the matter if he wants to stay in business.
So overall you will be paying more, as you'll have materials at a higher base price than he would have paid, plus his displaced markup anyway.
Simples.
The most constructive advice possible is:
Phone your electrician tomorrow and say you want him to supply all the materials after all.
If you use RCBOs, you want something like this to put them in:
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/24223/
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/24223/
Go and have a look at your local Screwfix outlet.. its full of " pros" buying the gear they intend to charge the earth for.......
I'm sorry but I am bitter.........................
What I am getting at is that anyone can go shopping anywhere and most of them WILL pay the same! I am not saying that there should not be a mark up on hardware. Its just the level I dont agree with.
Gees - or go to TP and get the 30% discount and charge you retail, or go to Howdens and get the 75% discounts and .....
RF - two people have said the dual RCED I have linked to will do the job but have also said there is a better way. Now for me, because i is fick - if it does the job - i think it means it does the job. OK it sppears RCBO's is better, but since i didn't know what unit to get what RCBO's to buy, RCBO's is NOT what i need (well not unless someone with your experience says well since you have a ring main, you need this, since you have a lighting circuit you need this, since you have a cooker circuit you need this, and since you might put up a smoke detector, you need this, and, er, you need this to put it in - with appropriate links to the actual things I need - oh, but that is why i posted in the first place - to get advice from bright sparks - 'cos i aint one of them).
Now, someone used to accountants, and if i used accountancy forums, if someone said to me, "what is CGT on the sale of my property which I bought last year for £100k and sold this year for £115", I could say "For God's sake", or I could say "if it t is in joint names with you and your wife, and provided you have not disposed of any other assets in the financial year, there will be no CGT".
So you could, if you want, refer to the screwfix site, and reference the bits I need to go the RCBO route, if that is the right choice. Now some people like to make things difficult to understand, because people like me haven't come across terms like RCBO, Dual, Split load, etc. But essentially, it isn't rocket science is it? I am not trying to install the thing myself, I simply want to buy the part for a sparky to do it for me - just like I want to get 75% off from Howdens to buy a kitchen, doors, 35% off to buy an oven, hob and extractor fan, and 30% off from TP to get the parts?
So when you say I don't want a dual RCD board - why don't I? Flameport has now directed me to the BIT i need to buy to put the RCBO's in - but I don;t have enough knowledge to do the rest. But I csan buy the Dual Consumer Unit I linked to - I think it will work, two people have told me it will, so I assume that's good advice.
RF - two people have said the dual RCED I have linked to will do the job but have also said there is a better way. Now for me, because i is fick - if it does the job - i think it means it does the job. OK it sppears RCBO's is better, but since i didn't know what unit to get what RCBO's to buy, RCBO's is NOT what i need (well not unless someone with your experience says well since you have a ring main, you need this, since you have a lighting circuit you need this, since you have a cooker circuit you need this, and since you might put up a smoke detector, you need this, and, er, you need this to put it in - with appropriate links to the actual things I need - oh, but that is why i posted in the first place - to get advice from bright sparks - 'cos i aint one of them).
Now, someone used to accountants, and if i used accountancy forums, if someone said to me, "what is CGT on the sale of my property which I bought last year for £100k and sold this year for £115", I could say "For God's sake", or I could say "if it t is in joint names with you and your wife, and provided you have not disposed of any other assets in the financial year, there will be no CGT".
So you could, if you want, refer to the screwfix site, and reference the bits I need to go the RCBO route, if that is the right choice. Now some people like to make things difficult to understand, because people like me haven't come across terms like RCBO, Dual, Split load, etc. But essentially, it isn't rocket science is it? I am not trying to install the thing myself, I simply want to buy the part for a sparky to do it for me - just like I want to get 75% off from Howdens to buy a kitchen, doors, 35% off to buy an oven, hob and extractor fan, and 30% off from TP to get the parts?
So when you say I don't want a dual RCD board - why don't I? Flameport has now directed me to the BIT i need to buy to put the RCBO's in - but I don;t have enough knowledge to do the rest. But I csan buy the Dual Consumer Unit I linked to - I think it will work, two people have told me it will, so I assume that's good advice.
If the tradesman needs to take £x00 home at the end of the day then why do you care whether he makes all, some, or none of it via marking up materials?
Are you saying that if you had two itemised quotes that looked like this, when you knew that the materials would have cost £100:
A
Materials: £150
Labour:£250
Total: £400
B
Materials: £200
Labour:£150
Total: £350
that you would go with A because B's markup is higher?
Edited to add quote
So basically you are going to buy the CU yourself no matter what advice you get to the contrary, and no matter how much that will cost you, and no matter how compromised the end result, because you had already made your mind up to do that before you came here.
Go away.
You are being blinded by science.. Just cos you dont understand the teminology.. Dont be put off, do your homework, you will be amazed..
BAS - you have assumed in your example that the materials are the same - they are not - when I did maths at school and had to solve simultaneous equations, it was always best to remove one unknown. If I had asked each trademan to specify the parts they were supplying, I would just be back on these forums asking which parts are best for the job, and presumeably there would be some smart arse saying "For God's sake".
Why cant a sparks QUOTE an Hourly rate?
Sorry mucked up the quote... must be the stella !!
In my example they were, because I was addressing Gee's irrational objection to what he considers an excessive markup.
"Smart a**e"? Or people who would quite justifiably think you were being unreasonable to expect them to second-guess a qualified professional who had actually seen the job, and actually spoken to you about what you wanted, and who might justifiably wonder why you were considering employing an electrician whose professional expertise you doubted?
BAS
<So basically you are going to buy the CU yourself no matter what advice you get to the contrary, and no matter how much that will cost you, and no matter how compromised the end result, because you had already made your mind up to do that before you came here>
NO I didn't - if you read my first post, I just linked to screwfix - any bright spark could have said "this will do the job"
FFS - RING MAIN, LIGHTING, COOKER - it doesn't get much more simple, than that does it? Someone menrtioned "Do you know whether you have a TT TN-S or TN-C-S supply, which may affect your choice of protective devices?" that seems relevant - but are you really saying that the part I linked to which says"17th Edition RCD Unit" is really going to "compromise" the end result - if you please tell me why - because that will help me understand things.
As I also mentioned I have 30 days to take the frigging thing back - if sparky says it's wrong - that;s what I'll do.
<So basically you are going to buy the CU yourself no matter what advice you get to the contrary, and no matter how much that will cost you, and no matter how compromised the end result, because you had already made your mind up to do that before you came here>
NO I didn't - if you read my first post, I just linked to screwfix - any bright spark could have said "this will do the job"
FFS - RING MAIN, LIGHTING, COOKER - it doesn't get much more simple, than that does it? Someone menrtioned "Do you know whether you have a TT TN-S or TN-C-S supply, which may affect your choice of protective devices?" that seems relevant - but are you really saying that the part I linked to which says"17th Edition RCD Unit" is really going to "compromise" the end result - if you please tell me why - because that will help me understand things.
As I also mentioned I have 30 days to take the frigging thing back - if sparky says it's wrong - that;s what I'll do.
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