Why people are dying in the backs of ambulances

[gas112]

Compare the NHS and other health services on outcomes vs expenditures. Where does the US come up and where do hybrid systems come up - hint they spend more than us on healthcare.


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Spend more yeah because its insurance based and they can charge astronomical amounts for basic things which in the real world would have been curtailed decades ago.
When my gp surgery was getting charged 800 quid for an mri scan but could send you to neighbouring health authority who charged 430 why such a discrepancy within NHS oh one authority was run a lot more cost effectively.

 

[JohnD]

I think I do

evidently.

but you are mistaken.

 

[Mottie]

Spend more yeah because its insurance based and they can charge astronomical amounts for basic things which in the real world would have been curtailed decades ago.

Same in the motor trade or even vets. Mention insurance and straight away it's a lot more expensive compared to a straightforward uninsured paying customer where they have to compete on price.

 

[gas112]

Same in the motor trade or even vets. Mention insurance and straight away it's a lot more expensive compared to a straightforward uninsured paying customer where they have to compete on price.

Yep 100 quid for breakfast 6 quid for a newspaper 25 quid for a tooth brush everyday things required during a stay that are charged at extortionate prices so it then follows through to medical side. Mate saw the bill off 400 quid to get his ears checked and syringed two weeks ago in there for 1 hour

 

[securespark]

A & E clogged up with drunks on a Friday and Saturday night

Dealing with the consequences of there drunken behaviour

self harm
Violence against others

plod has deal with it as well resources having to be spent on boozed up fruit cakes

But the Government relies on the taxes from the sale of alcohol.
Is the answer to tax alcohol a lot more?

 

[transam]

But the Government relies on the taxes from the sale of alcohol.
Is the answer to tax alcohol a lot more?

dunno

ban the sale of alcohol to any one under the age of 30 for starters ??

security guards in hospitals primarily to protect staff from violent boozed up fruit cakes

ambulance and nurses assaulted by boozed up fruit cakes

 

[Deleted member 174758]

evidently.

Thank you for that link. I'd come across the Dunning-Kruger effect before, but never done any research into the guys behind it. You've now opened up another rabbit hole for me to follow

From another source, "If you’re incapable of admitting you could be wrong, you close yourself off to science and data, blind yourself to the intellectual revision by which a person of just about any level of intelligence can gather wisdom — which is more valuable than intelligence anyway, because it is malleable and capable of infinite growth.

The scientists who study the Dunning-Kruger effect call this metacognitive awareness. Victims of the Dunning-Kruger effect call it conspiracy."

Could explain a lot about modern society, that

 

[Deleted member 174758]

But the Government relies on the taxes from the sale of alcohol.
Is the answer to tax alcohol a lot more?

Possibly. The issue with that is that it might just push people towards drug taking (and I come across so many people on sites these days who are obviously on something) - so you'd have to legalise that, and tax it heavily too.

Another possibility might be to charge anyone going to hospital with drink-induced injuries. But how do you diferrentiate between victim and perpetrator?

 

[Mottie]

Another possibility might be to charge anyone going to hospital with drink-induced injuries. But how do you diferrentiate between victim and perpetrator?

I think they do that already or they certainly used to. About 45 years ago, young, stupid, drunk and showing off, I wrapped my car around a tree, came right out through the screen and ended up on the bonnet. I was taken to hospital with a fair few injuries and I remember, when I was better, paying a bill of £80 to cover the ambulance.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

Any discussion of NHS finances cannot be taken seriously unless it makes mention of mass immigration. In the past decade there have been nearly 7 million new GP registrations from immigrants, who will not only be a strain on the NHS but on the public purse in general as the majority of them will be in receipt of some kind of state handout.

Imagine the service we could have with 7 million fewer "gimme gimme gimme" foreigners.

Immigration is the cause of almost every problem we face in this country, yet you'll never hear it mentioned in mainstream politics and mainstream media.

 

[JohnD]

there is an ambulance charge for RTAs. Has been for many years. I understand the insurance company usually pays it. I don't think it is dependent on guilt or drink.

Mine was charged the ordinary flat rate for ambulance + medic in car + helicopter. No drink or recklessness involved.

I don't recall the amount.

 

[JohnD]

Much more in the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave

Hurrah for private enterprise, eh?

Down with Socialism, say some of our members.

Poor sods

 

[JohnD]

Any discussion of NHS finances cannot be taken seriously unless it makes mention of mass immigration.

You're right. Immigrants on average use much less of the NHS services than the average UK citizen, and tend to work hard, paying tax and NI, so we make a profit from them.

Additionally, many NHS workers are migrants, and it would grind to a standstill without them.

As you say, well done the migrants. We need them.

Hatred of migrants is the cause of many problems we face in this country, and is often exhibited by our native fascists. You'll often hear it in mainstream politics and mainstream media.

 

[gas112]

You're right. Immigrants on average use much less of the NHS services than the average UK citizen, and tend to work hard, paying tax and NI, so we make a profit from them.

Additionally, many NHS workers are migrants, and it would grind to a standstill without them.

As you say, well done the migrants. We need them.

I wonder why they no longer collate the bills for translators

 

[fillyboy]

You're right. Immigrants on average use much less of the NHS services than the average UK citizen, and tend to work hard, paying tax and NI, so we make a profit from them.

Before I left Slough 15 years ago I would struggle to get into the Doctors surgery for the crowds of Poles, the influx in one single year was 12000, a ten percent increase in population. They consisted of young, old and translators. So my personal experience at that time, in that town, was that the NHS was used far more by immigrants.

Additionally, many NHS workers are migrants, and it would grind to a standstill without them.

You could say that about any industry in the UK, it has always been thus, from the Irish navvies to the West Indian bus conductors and factory workers to the Eastern European veg pickers, it always been the case and always will be. The origin countries will evolve with time but nothing will change.

As you say, well done the migrants. We need them.

Absolutely.

Hatred of migrants is the cause of many problems we face in this country, and is often exhibited by our native fascists. You'll often hear it in mainstream politics and mainstream media.

The only hatred I see is from the likes of you. You forment it, if you truly believe our mainstream politics and media are fascists, you need help mate.