Why people are dying in the backs of ambulances

[gas112]

A family members job is to register new patients to there surgery which has well over 50, 000 patients, for a number of years now 70% of new patients are not from uk and I can assure you they certainly take advantage of our health care

 

[SirGalahad]

A family members job is to register new patients to there surgery which has well over 50, 000 patients, for a number of years now 70% of new patients are not from uk and I can assure you they certainly take advantage of our health care

Which surgery is this?

 

[gas112]

Which surgery is this?

Their local one or are you going to say no surgery has that amount of patients?

 

[SirGalahad]

Their local one or are you going to say no surgery has that amount of patients?

There are about 15 GP surgeries with that many patients. Which one is it - if there is fraud going on shouldn't it be reported?

So tell me how do they take advantage of our healthcare?

 

[gas112]

There are about 15 GP surgeries with that many patients. Which one is it - if there is fraud going on shouldn't it be reported?

So tell me how do they take advantage of our healthcare?

That took you a while to Google. Is your gas and air pipe leaking who mentioned fraud?

 

[SirGalahad]

That took you a while to Google. Is your gas and air pipe leaking who mentioned fraud?

So tell me what do they do?

What's the name of the surgery.

 

[John the plumber]

From your perspective, how many call outs are to people that are calling an ambulance as a result of a failure to be able to see a GP or slow referral?

I have a guy at work with a bladder problem. It is causing him a lot of pain and his GP has referred him to a specialist for a uroscopy. He was told he get an appointment in 6 weeks. 6 weeks later, no appointment, and the number he's been given for the department goes to answerphone. He's left messages every day for 2 weeks without a call back. He went back to his GP who managed to contact the urology department who told him they had no idea when he'd get an appointment, but he could have an appointment with the nurse who would show him how to catheterise himself.

He's ended up paying to see a specialist privately. I don't blame him as the above sounds like a shambles.

One day the jabbies remaining one brain cell might cotton on that the only reason the nhs would ever be over run now is due to the backlog of people they refused to treat for any other illness/virus/disease that wasn’t covid.
Amazing isn’t it that in this day and age the nhs would refuse to treat hundreds of thousands of people.

 

[gas112]

One day the jabbies remaining one brain cell might cotton on that the only reason the nhs would ever be over run now is due to the backlog of people they refused to treat for any other illness/virus/disease that wasn’t covid.
Amazing isn’t it that in this day and age the nhs would refuse to treat hundreds of thousands of people.

on the news last night exactly what is happening many hospitals at breaking point and not covid patients

 

[securespark]

I think they do that already or they certainly used to. About 45 years ago, young, stupid, drunk and showing off, I wrapped my car around a tree, came right out through the screen and ended up on the bonnet. I was taken to hospital with a fair few injuries and I remember, when I was better, paying a bill of £80 to cover the ambulance.

I paid a fee of £25 after an ambulance picked me up after an RTA in 1985, but I wasn't drunk. It was a standard fee for a post-RTA ambulance. They would give the driver the bill and it would be passed on to the insurance company.

 

[Notch7]

Before I left Slough 15 years ago I would struggle to get into the Doctors surgery for the crowds of Poles, the influx in one single year was 12000, a ten percent increase in population. They consisted of young, old and translators. So my personal experience at that time, in that town, was that the NHS was used far more by immigrants

Made up story.



Vast majority of people don’t go to the doctors surgery unless they’ve booked an appointment.

If you book an appointment you don’t know how many Polish people have booked appointments.

Most of the Polish people arriving were young….not the demographic that spends time going to the doctors.

 

[securespark]

Under S158 of the Road Traffic Act, the first Medic to provide emergency treatment to cover bodily injury to victims (even if fatal) of an RTA is able to charge a fee for the service.

It's £21.30 per person and any mileage above 2 miles can be charged at 41p per mile. The bill is usually sent to the driver of the vehicle deemed to be at fault.

Obviously, me & Mottie were billed before 1988, but there must have been equivalent legislation in force then.

 

[Lower]

Not sure what point you are trying to make.

If the person cannot get to see a GP and its not urgent then they walk into A&E.

If its urgent they shouldnt be seeing a GP in the first place.

The operators who take the calls do initial triage.

As to a slow referral - the NHS was operating above capacity prior to the pandemic. The Government instead of paying money to prop up the private hospitals during the pandemic treated just 8 patients a day.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...id-patients-a-day-during-pandemic-says-report

Too many have no clue how healthcare systems work or basic economics.

My point is that the NHS is overloaded in many areas, part of which is the hangover from Covid and, in my opinion, the inefficiency of working from home. The NHS is all interlinked as i'm sure you're aware. You're absolutely right that the NHS struggles in winter in some areas, and this year is worse because of a variety of covid related reasons.

However, for the ambulance service, it's harder for patients to see their GP's to get treatment, so patients go to A&E to get care, or they end up in A&E because they got referred but didn't get an appointment to see a specialists. A&E gets clogged up people that shouldn't be there as a result, patients get stuck in ambulances because A&E is full. More people are so ill because their care has been delayed that they call an ambulance etc etc.

However, my question was how much of that do you think you're seeing.

But in the short term, how do you fix all of the above without using the capacity of the private system when the NHS is already overstretched?

 

[JP_]

Hospitals are busier than ever, because now they have the backlog they are working through, plus loads of new covid patients because of the idiot antivaxxers clogging up the wards.

But, what the NHS really needs is ....

 

[AngleEyes]

A & E clogged up with drunks on a Friday and Saturday night

Dealing with the consequences of there drunken behaviour

self harm
Violence against others

plod has deal with it as well resources having to be spent on boozed up fruit cakes

Good job your wish for death, destruction, mayhem and chaos doesn't come true, because then we'd all be in the doo-doo.

 

[AngleEyes]

No don’t think there is a waiting list

and it’s not available on the NHS any way

You're probably right, it's such a rare and peculiar condition, there wouldn't be many requiring the treatment. I do thing the peculiarity of the condition rather suits you.
And as you say, the NHS doesn't treat animals for free. Have you tried the RSPCA?