I second fixed a kitchen last week that was only partially rewired, they had 6 FCU's along one wall!! Grid switches would definitely have been better, only needed two fuses. It looked ridiculous
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Notes to Table H7. Onsite Guide Yellow edition.
Appliances built into kitchen furniture (integrated appliances) should be connected to a socket outlet or switched fused connection unit that is accessible when the appliance is in place and in normal use. Alternatively, where an appliance is supplied from a socket outlet or a connection unit, this should be controlled by an accessible double-pole switch or switched fused connection unit. It is recommended that wall mounted socket outlets above a work surface are spaced at not more than 1m intervals along the surface.
Guide, should, recommend
vs
Regulation, must, mandatory
vs
Regulation, must, mandatory
We have a regulation book of well over four hundred pages which itself is not statutory (this non-statutory status is emphasised on every course and exam for some reason).
That someone is presumably paid for writing and publishing something else in other numerous pointless publications (OSG, guides, approved documents etc.) is entirely irrelevant and the cause of endless confusion.
That someone is presumably paid for writing and publishing something else in other numerous pointless publications (OSG, guides, approved documents etc.) is entirely irrelevant and the cause of endless confusion.
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SO, if I read the GUIDANCE
A standard socket outlet with its own double-pole switch meets this.
More poor wording, I suspect! I imagine that they meant to write something like "...where an appliance is supplied from a normally inaccessible socket outlet or a connection unit, this should be ...".
Kind Regards, John
It doesn't matter what is meant.
It is guidance so it may be reinterpreted any way seen fit.
I could write another guide interpreting their interpretations of the intended intentions by not being in any regulation.
It is guidance so it may be reinterpreted any way seen fit.
I could write another guide interpreting their interpretations of the intended intentions by not being in any regulation.
Does it reference an actual regulation?
Not directly from the notes section. H7 itself references 553.1.7.
Indeed it can, but you may nevertheless be underestimating the potential 'power' of guidelines. In many fields, a lot of operational details are dealt with in 'guidelines', rather than regulations or legislation. Although, in a literal sense, compliance with guidelines is not 'mandatory', official bodies/agencies often put a lot of weight on what the guidelines say when reaching decisions as to what actions, proposals or whatever are 'reasonable' or acceptable. Just as it's not mandatory to comply with BS7671, demonstrating that one has complied with Part P would be an uphill struggle for most people if they hadn't complied with BS7671 (which, as far as the law is concerned can, I suppose, be thought of as a ('non-mandatory') 'guideline').
Kind Regards, John
Alright, 7671 is the guide we (as per schemes) must follow.
Writing these others which differ is therefore - what's the word? - futile and I am astounded at their power and the power of fashion.
From March 31 2016 ring final circuits are no longer allowed to be installed - pass the word.
See how long it is before that comes back.
Writing these others which differ is therefore - what's the word? - futile and I am astounded at their power and the power of fashion.
From March 31 2016 ring final circuits are no longer allowed to be installed - pass the word.
See how long it is before that comes back.
Indeed. However, even if the scheme operators make it 'mandatory' for their members to follow that 'guide', the law obviously doesn't impose a corresponding insistence. I presume that the scheme operators could require you to also comply with the OSG if they wanted to (I think they require you to have an up-to-date copy).
I would certainly agree in terms of "third party guides", which represent the opinion of an individual as regards interpretation and implementation of the regulations. I would, however, say that it's a bit different when the guide is published by (and presumably written by) the same organisation that publishes the regulations. There's a similar issue in terms of the relationship between the 'Approved Documents' and the actual legislation they relate to - both published by 'government'.
Kind Regards, John
Unfortunately they do, but do not know why.
I didn't buy one a couple of years ago and had to order it on-line there and then to 'pass'.
Which applies to mobile equipment.
But there's a disclaimer in the OSG which says it might be a pile of negligent incompetent poo and in the Preface it says that following it does not ensure compliance with BS 7671, which people should always consult.
Mine is red - I have no plans to get any more colours.
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