What does the model of the CU have to do with it?Well you don't actually know the model... and WYLEX will disagree - take them to court then !!!
Bring it on - I'd love to see them explain why they told someone like you that you could ignore the Wiring Regulations.I can't comment on your comment on The Power Service etc, they appear to be "very competant" and helpful, and if you site them "as a bunch of dangerous buffoons - quote) " then I'd telephone them 1st thing on Monday to explain/discuss and mitigate a "case" against you,
Not per se, I agree.Your statement "not competant to do so" is in question, seeking advice is NOT a sign of incompendancy,
Yes - I've noticed how you welcomed the comments from people saying "no, you can't install a new CU and leave the lighting circuit without an earth"....I've just used this Forum to seek professional advice, and welcome all comments
what page is 130-07-01 on chapter 13 starts on page 14 ?
why are you quoting regs to the op he does not yet have a copy
130-07-01 is on p14.what page is 130-07-01 on chapter 13 starts on page 14 ?
Maybe not, but when I quoted 131.8 to him I didn't know that, and frankly it seemed madness that someone would be replacing a CU, would have test equipment, was originally planning to use it as one of the assessment jobs to register with a Competent Person scheme and not have a copy. As I said - HTF can anybody sign a declaration to say that they've complied with the regulations if they don't know what the regulations are?why are you quoting regs to the op he does not yet have a copy
What does the model of the CU have to do with it?Well you don't actually know the model... and WYLEX will disagree - take them to court then !!!
And since when did Wylex acquire authority in relation to the Wiring Regulations?
And given that even a plug will come with instructions saying "if in doubt consult a qualified electrician" I really find it impossible to believe that Wylex would answer the sort of questions you'd have been asking and tell you that it was OK for you to go ahead and install the CU.
Bring it on - I'd love to see them explain why they told someone like you that you could ignore the Wiring Regulations.I can't comment on your comment on The Power Service etc, they appear to be "very competant" and helpful, and if you site them "as a bunch of dangerous buffoons - quote) " then I'd telephone them 1st thing on Monday to explain/discuss and mitigate a "case" against you,
Not per se, I agree.Your statement "not competant to do so" is in question, seeking advice is NOT a sign of incompendancy,
But your level of competence is disclosed by the questions you've asked, and by the statements you have made, and by the attitude you project.
And it's a level of competence which falls short of that needed to install a CU.
Yes - I've noticed how you welcomed the comments from people saying "no, you can't install a new CU and leave the lighting circuit without an earth"....I've just used this Forum to seek professional advice, and welcome all comments
Really?I now have the PDF of the BS7671 17th edition,
I don't know what you've got, but it isn't the Wiring Regulations.it's in 3 chapters (for the design) I also have 16 chapters (for the testing and inspection...)
there are some other chapters (6 chapters marked "explained")
Heaven forbid that you should read it though.I think that I had the necessary info. all of this the time.
Please flog your test equipment on eBay and give up this idea that you are cut out to be an electrician.As I stated there is a "mass" of info and sometimes it's easier to clarify by email/web/telephone than "digest" 500 pages (but don't site me) of tech stuff
You seem to have the same definition of "consultation" as the govt - i.e. you ask the questions, but when you get answers you don't like you say "load of rubbish, I know what I'm doing", and carry on with what you always planned to do.OK , nearly time to finish my comments for this evening, however the attitude (mine) is a serious and professional one, with many serious and relavent questions, I if thought that" I knew it all" and went ahead with projects/services then I'd amit that i was " an idiot", but that's without consultation to "peers" / professionals,
Ah - so if you took a D63 MCB complying with BS EN 60898, and installed it in a CU complying with BS EN 60439-3 downstream of an RCD complying with BS EN 61008 it would then be OK to connect it to a lighting circuit wired in 1.0mm² cable complying with BS 6004 would it?PS The WYLEX CCU is fully compliant, all equipment that they supply has to be BS and CE approved, (and is/has been) ...you cannot dought that
Really?I now have the PDF of the BS7671 17th edition,
AFAIK the only PDF version they put out was the Draft for Public Comment back in 2006.
I don't know what you've got, but it isn't the Wiring Regulations.it's in 3 chapters (for the design) I also have 16 chapters (for the testing and inspection...)
there are some other chapters (6 chapters marked "explained")
Heaven forbid that you should read it though.I think that I had the necessary info. all of this the time.
Let's see if I've got this right - you've got test equipment which you may know how to use (as in connect and press buttons), you were on the verge of submitting an application to ELECSA, but you don't own, or have a ******* clue about, the Wiring Regulations?
Please flog your test equipment on eBay and give up this idea that you are cut out to be an electrician.As I stated there is a "mass" of info and sometimes it's easier to clarify by email/web/telephone than "digest" 500 pages (but don't site me) of tech stuff
Err.. you were asking about 130-07-01, which is slightly less than halfway down p14.hi bas i must be going blind or mad i am on page 14 from the top of the page
chapter 12
half way down chapter 13 fundamental principles
131 protection for safety
then 131.1
help
Then you're not yet competent enough to start installing CUs.and i'm not "on the verge" of submission, as I stated i've a few courses and exams to take
You seem to have the same definition of "consultation" as the govt - i.e. you ask the questions, but when you get answers you don't like you say "load of rubbish, I know what I'm doing", and carry on with what you always planned to do.OK , nearly time to finish my comments for this evening, however the attitude (mine) is a serious and professional one, with many serious and relavent questions, I if thought that" I knew it all" and went ahead with projects/services then I'd amit that i was " an idiot", but that's without consultation to "peers" / professionals,
Ah - so if you took a D63 MCB complying with BS EN 60898, and installed it in a CU complying with BS EN 60439-3 downstream of an RCD complying with BS EN 61008 it would then be OK to connect it to a lighting circuit wired in 1.0mm² cable complying with BS 6004 would it?PS The WYLEX CCU is fully compliant, all equipment that they supply has to be BS and CE approved, (and is/has been) ...you cannot dought that
A new car complies with all the regulations and standards that it has to, but someone can still get behind the wheel and drive it in a way which breaks the regulations for operating it and kill someone.
The Wylex CU complies with all the regulations and standards that it has to, but your planned installation of it does not.
ban-all-sheds";p="1147674 said:You seem to have the same definition of "consultation" as the govt - i.e. you ask the questions, but when you get answers you don't like you say "load of rubbish, I know what I'm doing", and carry on with what you always planned to do.OK , nearly time to finish my comments for this evening, however the attitude (mine) is a serious and professional one, with many serious and relavent questions, I if thought that" I knew it all" and went ahead with projects/services then I'd amit that i was " an idiot", but that's without consultation to "peers" / professionals,
Ah - so if you took a D63 MCB complying with BS EN 60898, and installed it in a CU complying with BS EN 60439-3 downstream of an RCD complying with BS EN 61008 it would then be OK to connect it to a lighting circuit wired in 1.0mm² cable complying with BS 6004 would it?PS The WYLEX CCU is fully compliant, all equipment that they supply has to be BS and CE approved, (and is/has been) ...you cannot dought that
To answer this question (possibly in part) the D63 MCB is a Merlin Gerin Double Pole 63 AMP MCB and under 530.3.4 - which seems to require that only protective devices specified by the manufacturer can be used in a CU, so even if the CU complies with BS EN 60439-3 the D63 MCB must be specified by the CU manufacturer, if it's not Merlin Gerin then the answer is at this point is very likely no. BS EN 61008 (I assume -1) actually applies to an RCCD which has NO overcurrent protection, I assume that this scenario then has no overcurrent protection, the answer is then no.
Also you haven't specified the In. (I delta n)
If the cable complies with BS 6004 and I assume has a cpc then it must meet with the capacities as specified in table 4D5A depending on the installation method and de-rated accordingly to operating temperature, as you haven't specified the types and rating of any lighting loads then I would answer no on this aspect as one would have to measure/test all loads. ... but we will see what the official iet answer is ..
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