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They are using 10 x the power but the signal is only 25% stronger?
The strength of a signal is logarithmic compared with power that's why we use that scale.

The signal is 1000% stronger. Every extra 3 dBw is equivalent to doubling the power.

Must be something wrong with my S meter then? I must inform C&G there exam questions in the RAE exam are also incorrect!

Eric GW7MGW, VR2ZEP, VP8BKM
 
Must be something wrong with my S meter then? I must inform C&G there exam questions in the RAE exam are also incorrect! Eric GW7MGW, VR2ZEP, VP8BKM

Maybe the increase in power ( or ERP ) has been achieved with a new aerial array that is not omni-directional. The overall ERP in all directions but yours has been increased by more than increase in ERP in your direction.
 
This has nothing to do with directional aerials.
You can't use percentages of dBW and expect to get a meaningful result.

40 apples to 50 apples is an increase of 25%
40dBW to 50dBW is NOT 25%. Not even close.

As already stated, it is 1000% or x10. Just the same as 10dBW to 20dBW, or 60dBW to 70dBW
 
Most level meter scales are logarithmic. In the days of analogue meters it made a compact and easily read instrument as it directly indicated the power of the signal against the chosen reference value. The arrangement put the end stop of the meter virtually at infinity, and saved bending the needle round it when levels changed unexpectedly. Maybe there's no need to do this with digital meters, as there's no delicate needle to bend, but the convention has stuck.

The base unit for comparing the power levels is the Bel, which is equal to the difference of the logarithms of the values. in this case, log10 10,000 is 4, and log10100,000 is 5. The difference is 1 Bel relative to 1 Watt.

The Bel is a bit of a cumbersome unit to juggle in mental arithmetic, most of the time the significant digits are to the right of the decimal point, so the decibel (1/10 of a Bel) is commonly used, usually bringing the most significant digit to the left of the decimal point.

So the above tenfold increase is commonly expressed as 10dBW.

In the past we were more familiar with logarithmic scales as they were commonly used on slide rules.

So to find the increase in power from your meter reading, you need to divide the levels by ten to find the values in Bels, then find the antilog of the values to determine the power levels. In this case:-

50dBW= 5 Belwatt, and
40dBW = 4 Belwatt.
Log^-1 4= 10,000 Watts
Log^-1 5= 100,000 Watts
 
The signal is 1000% stronger.
Well, 900% actually. :D

The strength of a signal is logarithmic compared with power

Define 'strength of a signal'.

I would say that we use a logarithmic scale for signal strength because the enormous range of signal powers which can be resolved by a communications receiver could not be adequately registered on a linear meter.

G4M**
 
Or if you wanted, you can take the difference between the 2 values i.e. 50dB-40dB=10dB.
In dB, adding or subtracting is the same as multiplying or dividing the original non log values.

In linear form:

Gain = output / input.

Gain = 100,000w/10,000w = 10

Or using logs

10 log 10,000w = 40dBw
10 log 100,000w = 50dBw

50dBw-40dBw=10dBw

So the gain is 10dBw, or converted back to original form the gain is 10^(10/10) = 10^1 = 10.
 
They are using 10 x the power but the signal is only 25% stronger?
The strength of a signal is logarithmic compared with power that's why we use that scale.

The signal is 1000% stronger. Every extra 3 dBw is equivalent to doubling the power.

Must be something wrong with my S meter then? I must inform C&G there exam questions in the RAE exam are also incorrect!

Eric GW7MGW, VR2ZEP, VP8BKM

As others have explained in a rather more elaborate manner than myself, an extra 10dBw really does equate to a tenfold increase in transmit power.

That doesn't, however, mean that Winter Hill will have ten times the range it had before. Generally, an extra 6dBw of EIRP will give you a doubling in effective transmitter range.

73's

M3GFZ
 
What's with all the funny car number plate numbers at the bottom of your posts, are you all secret car spotters? :lol:
 
aha!!!!.. found you....

See... This is why I don't give my callsign in full. It means *anyone* can look up your full address. Defeats the point of having funny forum names!
 

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