full rewire in 2 bed2 floor house

well this has got out of hand due to a handyman with little electrical knowledge and geiraint that has contributed NOTHING useful at all!

OP, read the links BAS suggested, you ought to be concerned about other things like main bonding and running cables for that and also about what types of circuit cables you will be running and how they will be routed, what materials will they be run in ect. You dont need a ring upstairs, downstairs or in the kitchen. Infact, if you did and the socket circuit had a fault upstairs then you would have no power up there atall! Also you are running two lots of cable around the house for no real benefit assuming that it is all being wired from the first floor floor. Socket wise - you could wire the front two rooms on one circuit (ring or radieal) the back two rooms on a different circuit (again ring or radial) For there circuits I would almost guarantee that 20A radials would suffice, talk about it with your spark, youy kitchen could be wired in a 32A RFC, depending on the routing of the cablesa and what factors are being applied to them, or course you could run two or more 20Amp radials for sockets, one or more 32Amp radials ect. how about a seperate circuit for your appliances and maybe your fridge freezer. If possible I think it is a good idea to have your boiler on it's own circuit, either with an independant RCD or an RCD free circuit if possible, this way only a boiler fault is going to make you lose the boiler.

As you can tell, socket circuits questions are only scratching the surface. Consider a few things and build it up untill you have a well stocked brain of information to discuss with your sparky.
 
...and geiraint that has contributed NOTHING useful at all!
He keeps doing it - I'm sure he thinks that he is justified, and that it is in the best interests of the forum.

Odd though that he can never explain his justification, and provide rational reasons why it's the right way to behave....
 
I hope you are meaning that you are helping a NICEIC electrician do a rewire, as then it's his work he's signing off and not yours!

The poor chap had a stroke just after buying a property. He will supervise the work I do (if I get the job) to his specifications. So basically, I am just his labourer.

He has lost almost full use of his right arm/leg/face and speech is slurred.

The sticking point at the moment is, he wanted a quote and I want a daily rate. I can't quote as I have no idea how long the job will take given my limitations and lack of knowledge.

His father will be doing all of the plumbing, a mate all of the plastering. I will also be replacing the bathroom floor which has serious we trot.

A great learning curve for me. :lol:
 
Ah, geraint - you've been quiet for a while.


banal sheds, AGAIN if you are qualified to advise. fine.. what ARE your qualififications
AGAIN - if, hypothetically, I were to say "not going to tell you", what would you say?

AGAIN - if you can show me where I should not have said something because of what I said, rather than who or what I may or may not be, then I'll be happy to discuss it.


your banner about the plumbers. are they wrong...
Yes.

so no qualifications in electrical installations.... and you insult the plumbers on their forum.. is that why you were banned from other forum sites.. please enlighten us ALL.

or is it you..
No.


and HOW would you know....
Because I was there when they told me.
 
You dont need a ring upstairs, downstairs or in the kitchen. Infact, if you did and the socket circuit had a fault upstairs then you would have no power up there at all! Also you are running two lots of cable around the house for no real benefit assuming that it is all being wired from the first floor floor
.

Come on........ How could you say that ?

Prudence !!! What will the future requirements be ?

A rewire is horrid- bashing walls chasing re dec work. Do it once and go over capacity. Radials at 2.5mm limit the circuit to 20 amp use.
Rings a 2.5mm cope with 30 amps.

In a kitchen run:-

Ring for sockets
Radial for cooker
Radial for boiler (if located there)
Radial for fridge / freezer via RCBO (if concerned about nuisance tripping if the fridge / freeze shares a rcd bar)

If your lucky enough to have a utility room, a radial for the drier and washing machine if it heats water (only have CW feed)

More isn't better, but do it once and do it well is the best (although not always cheapest) idea.

I ran TV, Cat 5 and BT to all rooms 15 years ago- I'm so glad I did. So think about the IT / Av / BT stuff.


As for the commented quote about rcd rail trips sensible 'fan out' design helps avoid melt down and rcbos for each circuit is the rolls Royce solution.
 
Personally I am not a fan of ring final circuits, they can serve a purpose in a kitchen granted, but they work when faulty and it's always a bit of extra work to add additions in the future, in all fairness, the amount of appliances we use these days are a lot more than in years gone by but they are all very low powered, ring mains were a good idea when people used to have 3 bar fires and what not everywhere but we have gas fired central heating these days, the most powerful items are not used for long periods of time in general living and sleeping rooms, the worst offenders are the vacuum cleaner and the various devices women use on their hair. In reality the most current using appliances tend to be in the kitchen and utility and as for future proofing, electronics are becoming more efficient what with the carbon footprint reduction required by us.
 
Let's not forget that 7671:2008 suggests dedicated circuits for all appliances over 2 kW.

A good idea, then other sockets could be on 20A radials with no fear of overload.
 
I dont see the need for cat 5 everwhere or even BT everywhere as almost everything is wireless, it's so much easier to have wireless too as you havent got to have a room layed out a certain way indefinatly if you are commited to hard wired ways. I like the freedom of being able to use my laptop anywhere I want without the nonsense of fiddling around with RJ45 connections which, to me, seem to break far to easily!
 
Wireless is not as fast as wired, it is not as reliable as wired and it is not as secure as wired.
 
cat 5/cat 6 etc can be used for HDMI distribution etc as well so you can have the sky HD in the bedroom without the need for a second box etc..

a double socket and a dual cat 6 outlet in each corner of the lounge and bedrooms gives you as much flexibility as you should need..

if you use conduit drops for the cat 6 as well and use both holes in the box then you can always pull in the next generation of cabling when you need to upgrade
 
Ah, geraint - you've been quiet for a while.


banal sheds, AGAIN if you are qualified to advise. fine.. what ARE your qualififications
AGAIN - if, hypothetically, I were to say "not going to tell you", what would you say?

AGAIN - if you can show me where I should not have said something because of what I said, rather than who or what I may or may not be, then I'll be happy to discuss it.


your banner about the plumbers. are they wrong...
Yes.


or is it you..
No.


and HOW would you know....
Because I was there when they told me.

so enlighten us all to the above... will you tell or have you no qualifications.

please expand all of your replies...
 
I think there are always certain exceptions in life, and BAS being able to safely, reliably and correctly comment on electrics is one of them, he knows the regs inside and out, and i am sure he would run rings around a lot of sparks on the knowledge front.

Can you highlight some false information he has offered?

Have you got anything constructive or useful to offer the person who started this thread.
 
I really don't get the point of your petty witch hunt. Why does it matter whether BAS has formal qualifications or not?

Do I have any qualifications? Do any of the posters on this site?

Is all the advice I have given over the years suddenly invalid if I don't have a few bits of paper that say I could pass a few exams at college years ago?
 
I think there are always certain exceptions in life, and BAS being able to safely, reliably and correctly comment on electrics is one of them, he knows the regs inside and out, and i am sure he would run rings around a lot of sparks on the knowledge front.

Can you highlight some false information he has offered?

Have you got anything constructive or useful to offer the person who started this thread.

there are many instances....

why was he banned from a similar site....

having someone profess about being competent when they will not show their competence is a bit of,,, kettle, pot and black...
 

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