Sharia law

[joinerjohn]

The two examples you gave were political , not religious.

Sorry,,, Thatbloke,, The examples he gave were completely religion based.... Nothing to do with politics. In the first instance the elders didn't want their wives finding out about their partners infidelity.... In the second example,,, ditto.
We had exactly the same situation in Derby many years ago. The Muslim community decided they didn't want the hookers in,,, (what they considered then, and still consider now),,, They're area. Most of the prostitutes mentioned , that the blokes protesting about them , were in fact ,, regular customers. What this community did, was to drive the prostitution, into another area (where the Muslim men still kerb crawl ( and get caught in sting operations)) Only difference is, they now have to travel to do the kerb crawling.
Nowt to do with politics at all,,, and more to do with people not wanting their partners to find out what they are up to.

 

[Mickymoody]

While my initial post was read, I don't think it was fully understood, by the people that perceive themselves to be persecuted.

The problem is fear, and ignorance. From both sides of the coin. But the tosh that has been posted on here, promoting the Muslim side, is shockingly creationalist, and idealistic, and the question has not been answered; if the Koran, says to kill people that don't believe it, or the very valid point made above, someone writes a book, and gets a death penalty? Because your bible says so. Someone that threw acid at a woman, his punishment is being blinded, recinded at the last moment, a woman stoned to death, for having an affair, either you take the book litererally, or not.

I don't recognise the quotes from the bible, maybe King James version, or the old testement? But Christians have laws to prevent cruelty to humans and animals. Muslims don't seem to abide by those rules. Forced marriages, and Honour killings? ABIDE by the law of the country you are in. Or bye bye...

To misquote biological fact, is farcical. And compare it to building a car?

The facts are well known, in a book written by Darwen, called the Origin of Species, might be a book you want to read.

It's factually true that humans have evidence, and are in fact sometimes born with a tail. And webbed feet and fingers.

 

[Big Tone]

How about 'balls' on the outside? I know it's a trade-off between the advantages of a higher body temperature and the need to keep sperm cool but, if you're the designer, why not make heat resistant sperm?

If they were inside then where would you girls kick us? I don't think you've thought this through

 

[thatbloke]

The two examples you gave were political , not religious.

Sorry,,, Thatbloke,, The examples he gave were completely religion based.... Nothing to do with politics. In the first instance the elders didn't want their wives finding out about their partners infidelity.... In the second example,,, ditto.

Nowt to do with politics at all,,, and more to do with people not wanting their partners to find out what they are up to.

How is not wanting your missus to know you are bumping your balls off a prossie a religious thing?
Thats got nothing to do with religion.

Unless I missed ''thou shalt not let thy missus know thou is hanging out of a prossie every endeth of the week'' written down in the old bible.

 

[Big Tone]

How is not wanting your missus to know you are bumping your balls off a prossie a religious thing?
Thats got nothing to do with religion.

That's just a Mars/Venus thing. A man can hump another woman but be in love with his wife. If she found out she'd want to know if you love her. You may also need a cricket box at that point.

If it was the other way around the man would just want to know who's been humping his missus; his 'property'.

 

[thatbloke]

How is not wanting your missus to know you are bumping your balls off a prossie a religious thing?
Thats got nothing to do with religion.

That's just a Mars/Venus thing. A man can hump another woman but be in love with his wife. If she found out she'd want to know if you love her.

If it was the other way around the man would just want to know who's been humping his missus; his 'property'.

Women are indeed strange creatures.

 

[Space cat]

I am going to stick to word games ..... life is so simple there

I could change that.

 

[zanwan]

Dude can you please, please please NOT quote the Quran totally out of context please? The verses your referring to were in regards to a war between Muslims and Non-Muslims in the Meccan era.

It matters not a jot what context it was originally used in.

My comment was based on the fact you were fundamentally wrong in your answer to another member of this forum.

The quotes DO exist as you will know. So the answer should have been YES.
Simple as that.

Are you being serious? Context means everything. I could quiet simply say "its fine to kill them" and this could mean so many different things. People can then twist it to say "well look at this mad mullah, telling people to go and kill others, what a barbaric muslim".

Yet if you take what i said before, and after, and take the comments in context, it totally changes it.

If i was to say "during the attempted invasion by the Nazi's on the UK, if you have the means to shoot down German bombers and kill their pilots..... its fine to kill them....... as you must do what you need to to defend your homeland and your people."

Now you see how context suddenly changes the entire scenerio?

Its the context issue which the Anti-Muslim right wing always use to portray muslims in a negative context. They pick and mix bits, taken verses, quotes and comments out of context to portray muslims in as negative a light as possible. [/i]

 

[zanwan]

Ask yourself, why are the eyes at the front of our heads and not at the back, why do our ears have lobes to catch the sound and channel into into our ear, why to we have fingers at the end of our arms to help us grip things and not on our elbows? Why do we have teeth in our mouth? to help us chew. Why do we have a bum hole? To help us excrete waste from the body. Why do we have strong sexual urges and feel intense feelings of pleasure when we have sex? To encourage us to have sex and therefore recreate life.

The human body is the perfect design, yet you say it created itself?!

If you look around you, you must notice that people are different. Different hair, eye colour, face shape, even though they carry traits from their parents. You are observing mutations in the genetic information passed from parent to child.

Notice what happens when a lion chases a herd of prey animals - one gets caught and eaten. Some animals will be better than others at surviving - their genetic mutations are allowed to carry on. You are observing natural selection.

Animals with forward facing eyes have better depth perception than side mounted eyes, hands in the right place allow us to eat and protect ourselves.

Our eyes are at the front of our head not because someone designed them to go there, but because natural selection pushed our species to evolve like that.

The human body is the product of a very long peroid of evolution, certainly not perfect, and certainly not the product of an invisible man in the sky.

you feel its evolution, i feel its creation. The theory of evolution is just that, a theory. There are still many missing links.

For example they state we evolved from apes. Yet there is no strong evidence to link us. The holy grail or missing link has never been found. Why? Surely if humanity evolved from apes, there wouldnt be one, but many thousands of these missing skeletons. Where are they?

I was watching David Attenbouroughs series on the origins of life recently. Even he himself in many instances in the documentaries would say things along the lines off "somehow, we dont know how or when, this happend, this evolved, that evolved" yet he fails to provide any conclusive evidence. Comments such as "somehow the creatures started leaving the oceans" or "we dotn know when or how, but this happened". That to me just doesnt sound strong enough.

As they say, its called the Theory of Evolution. Its just that, a theory.

 

[zanwan]

For those into Science, the Quran ahs many scientific facts which only now, with modern day technology can they be proven to be correct.

Perfect example is Embroyology, the development of the embroyo in the womb. The Quran describes this process and how it forms and grows along with the different stages. However its only in the last 50 years or so that modern science has been able to study embryology with the use of new technology to discover in detail how the foetus grows.

Dr Keith Moore, whose works are studied as standard at medical universities across north america, looked into these Quranic verses and was shocked to find that the Quran was spot on with its descriptions. Yet how could a man, Muhammed (pbuh) have known 1400 years ago what science has only discovered recently? Keith Morre said it was impossible to have known this back then. He felt it must have been through devine revelation. He even went on to change his textbooks to include the descriptions from the Quran/Koran.

The Quran also fully supports the big bang theory, along with the theory that the universe is constantly expanding.

 

[Big Tone]

Which reminds of another thing I like about Atheism; it’s unambiguous and impartial. If you prove to me there is a god I will do a complete U-Turn. The oft quoted retort to that is 'well you prove to me there isn't'. But the burden of proof lies with the person making the claim, not for science to disprove each and every crackpot notion.

You have to remember that true science doesn’t have all the answers but the beautiful thing about it is by investigation and analysis we can try to understand our world.

If you start with an agenda, (religion), and discover something which flies in the face of your religion, (the Earth revolves around the Sun), you are going to stay locked in the past drowning potential witches and killing those who don’t drown because they are a witch. Sir Isaac Newton was placed under house arrest by Christians because he dared to ‘tell things as they are’...

 

[zanwan]

While my initial post was read, I don't think it was fully understood, by the people that perceive themselves to be persecuted.

The problem is fear, and ignorance. From both sides of the coin. But the tosh that has been posted on here, promoting the Muslim side, is shockingly creationalist, and idealistic, and the question has not been answered; if the Koran, says to kill people that don't believe it

But the Koran doesnt say that, as has already been pointed out.

, or the very valid point made above, someone writes a book, and gets a death penalty?

You cannot get the death penalty for that in Islam. Blasphemy in Islam does not end with a death sentance. This is not from the Shariah, these death sentances for this issue are man made laws, not Quranic laws.

Because your bible says so. Someone that threw acid at a woman, his punishment is being blinded

An eye for an eye. Islam allows the victim to seek a just punishment. Islam it about protecting the rights of the innocent. As well as punihshing the criminals. Its not about protecting the criminals and giving them a cushty life in a cell with the latest gadgets and gizmo's, only for these people to be released and to go on to reoffend.

, recinded at the last moment, a woman stoned to death for adultery

The same sentance applies to the man.

either you take the book litererally, or not.

This is why you are not an Islamic Scholar, something which takes many years of study to achieve. The Quran is one part of Islam. Then you have the Sunnah (the ways of Muhammed (pbuh) through the hadiths. Its this which explains how the Quran should be followed. You cannot take the Quran on its own. This is not what Muhammed (pbuh) taught.

I don't recognise the quotes from the bible

Its because Christians coincidentally ignore these.

Forced marriages, and Honour killings?

Since when are forced marriages or honour killings anything to do with Islam? Show me where in Islam it says you can do this. And i will show you a dozen hadith, quranic verses etc which prove Islam states both man and woman have a right to marry whom they want from their own free will etc.

Dont confuse culture with religion.

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The facts are well known, in a book written by Darwen, called the Origin of Species, might be a book you want to read.

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I have read it, studied it, read the counter arguments and those who oppose Darwins theory in my opinion have a stronger argument.

 

[Big Tone]

If a Muslim scientist discovered irrefutable proof that the Quran was phoney or its origins came from somewhere completely different, would his allegiance be with the proof or his faith?

Your answer could be very telling Naz...

 

[Big Tone]

The other thing which gets right up my nose is when, after millennia of denying something and persecuting millions, they can always point to a place or passage in the Bible, and I'm gussing no doubt the Quran, which says "oh yes, it clearly says here there was a big bang, the Earth is round, there’s such thing as DNA and someone will invent an X-Box one day”

I don’t mean to be factitious Naz but I had this kind of crap when I lived in America all the time.

Add: And the reason is because everything has contradictory answers..

An eye for an eye, do unto others, but oh, oh hang on! Turn the other cheek.

Pah!

 

[zanwan]

If a Muslim scientist discovered irrefutable proof that the Quran was phoney or its origins came from somewhere completely different, would his allegiance be with the proof or his faith?

Your answer could be very telling Naz...

This would and could not happen as we truly do not believe the Quran to be phoney.

However if it could ever be proven in some way that this was not the word of god, then the allegiance would be with the proof. The Quran constantly challenges people, constantly asks to prove it is false. There are no scietifically flawed statements in the Quran, there are no faults or contradictions, and its why Muslims hold onto the Quran with such confidence. For 1400 years people have tried to find faults, errros and contradictions, yet till this day none have been found.

Whereas open the bible and one the first page of genesis you find scietifically flawed statements, ie. god created night and day before he created the sun.