Should we tolerate or allow bad/abusive behavior in public?

[Brigadier]

I've been criticised many times, notably by Brigadier and BT for using insults in these threads, yet they are so slow, or fail completely, to criticise others who use racially abusive insults.

I criticised your hypocrisy RH ("I do not accept abusive practice"), not the abusiveness in itself.

Cor that's a bit neither here nor there, init?

No - perfectly clear.

 

[Brigadier]

I've been criticised many times, notably by Brigadier and BT for using insults in these threads, yet they are so slow, or fail completely, to criticise others who use racially abusive insults.

I criticised your hypocrisy RH ("I do not accept abusive practice"), not the abusiveness in itself.

OK, I accept I'm a hypochrite for using insults at those that repeatedly make racially abusive comments.
I did accept that before, and I did point out that I agreed with you that two wrongs don't make a right.
My insulting behaviour does not negate the original racially abusive behaviour.

I haven't questioned that - I accepted it before.

 

[Brigadier]

I've been criticised many times, notably by Brigadier and BT for using insults in these threads, yet they are so slow, or fail completely, to criticise others who use racially abusive insults.

I criticised your hypocrisy RH ("I do not accept abusive practice"), not the abusiveness in itself.

So you don't object to me criticising those that make racially abusive comments?

Not in the least.

 

[Brigadier]

I've been criticised many times, notably by Brigadier and BT for using insults in these threads, yet they are so slow, or fail completely, to criticise others who use racially abusive insults.

I criticised your hypocrisy RH ("I do not accept abusive practice"), not the abusiveness in itself.

Careful now, I have a good memory and DIYnot has a reasonable search facility.

Not as good a memory as you think.

 

[Brigadier]

I've been criticised many times, notably by Brigadier and BT for using insults in these threads, yet they are so slow, or fail completely, to criticise others who use racially abusive insults.

I criticised your hypocrisy RH ("I do not accept abusive practice"), not the abusiveness in itself.

OK, I accept I'm a hypochrite for using insults at those that repeatedly make racially abusive comments.

No - you are not at hypocrite for using insults against those who use racial slurs. You are however, a hypocrite for condemning the abusiveness of others, while practicing that very same behaviour yourself. But, you have already acknowledged that.

 

[Big Tone]

I'm not taking umbrage Rogue; I am arguing that my mission is not your mission! I'm not even on any mission.

As said, I don't like racism or racist comments, (later depending in what context), but I take them with a pinch of salt.

Do you honestly believe I would sit back in a real life situation and watch racist abuse without doing or saying something? Sadly, I think you do!

I do not class this as "real life" mate. And if I found you too offesnive to watch anymore, do you know what I would do?

 

[Deleted member 63160]

Why, is the Chuch of DIYnot some sort of KKK chapter where standards of decency should not be allowed?

Get help man FFS. You're obsessed with racism.

 

[RogueHanger]

I'm not taking umbrage Rogue; I am arguing that my mission is not your mission! I'm not even on any mission.

Sorry, BT but it appears to me that your mission is to find fault with me objecting to racially abusive posts. To quote you:

Or will you support me?

No. Not here sorry to say, but only because of how you have gone about it by tarring everyone with the same racist brush demanding that they somehow 'prove' themselves not to be and conform to your ideals of what someone is allowed to post. Forums don't work that way and it doesn't change who people are.

a) I haven't tarred everyone with the same brush. That's your exaggeration, illustrating your opposition to me. A few have made explicit racially abusive comments, and when it's been pointed out to them, they have continued to demonstrate their racially abusive behaviour.
b) Others, including youself, have supported some explicit racially abusive comments by leaving "thanks" to those comments.

.

Or will you agree with my objectives, but disagree with my methods?

Yes. Style over substance. Your style stinks. I think you could make an enemy of The Pope! And, as said, I am now at a point where I dread your next reply.

Again you are demonstrating your opposition to me.
You obviously have no style in combatting racism. That is evident from your complete lack of any criticism of it on this foum.

As said, I don't like racism or racist comments, (later depending in what context), but I take them with a pinch of salt.

But you fail to take my objections to those abusive comments with the same "pinch of salt" and you seem to have gotten pretty worked up about it.

Do you honestly believe I would sit back in a real life situation and watch racist abuse without doing or saying something? Sadly, I think you do!

I do not class this as "real life" mate. And if I found you too offesnive to watch anymore, do you know what I would do?

You have demonstrated time and time again that you'll happily sit back on here and do nothing. Is that because you think there is no victim?
True, this isn't an interpersonal situation, but social media is a new kind of interaction. To claim it is not real life so that abusive behaviour can have no influence in society is naive.
If your postulation is correct, then the advice given in the other forums can have no influence in real life.

 

[RogueHanger]

I've been criticised many times, notably by Brigadier and BT for using insults in these threads, yet they are so slow, or fail completely, to criticise others who use racially abusive insults.

I criticised your hypocrisy RH ("I do not accept abusive practice"), not the abusiveness in itself.

So you don't object to me criticising those that make racially abusive comments?

Not in the least.

yeah, OK

But this sums up RH's obsession with being "right"....../

There are other posts of yours I could use, Brigadier.

 

[RogueHanger]

Why, is the Chuch of DIYnot some sort of KKK chapter where standards of decency should not be allowed?

Get help man FFS. You're obsessed with racism.

a state in which someone thinks about someone or something constantly or
frequently especially in a way that is not normal. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/obsession[/QUOTE]
So you think it is not normal to combat racism?
You have a peculiar idea of normality. Out of step with the rest of society.

I suppose you accept racism as nomal behaviour. You certainly have not complained about it.

 

[Brigadier]

I've been criticised many times, notably by Brigadier and BT for using insults in these threads, yet they are so slow, or fail completely, to criticise others who use racially abusive insults.

I criticised your hypocrisy RH ("I do not accept abusive practice"), not the abusiveness in itself.

So you don't object to me criticising those that make racially abusive comments?

Not in the least.

yeah, OK

But this sums up RH's obsession with being "right"....../

There are other posts of yours I could use, Brigadier.

As you struggle to understand a direct, honest, four word answer to a direct question, humour me with the same confusion - what on earth are you on about?

 

[RogueHanger]

I've been criticised many times, notably by Brigadier and BT for using insults in these threads, yet they are so slow, or fail completely, to criticise others who use racially abusive insults.

I criticised your hypocrisy RH ("I do not accept abusive practice"), not the abusiveness in itself.

So you don't object to me criticising those that make racially abusive comments?

Not in the least.

yeah, OK

But this sums up RH's obsession with being "right"....../

There are other posts of yours I could use, Brigadier.

As you struggle to understand a direct, honest, four word answer to a direct question, humour me with the same confusion - what on earth are you on about?

OK, allow me to explain the last couple of relevant passages of comments between us:

1. I, kind of asked, if you objected to me criticising racially abusive comments?

2. You replied with. "not in the least."

3. So I find a recent quote of yours that criticises me, my comments and my position on racially abusive behaviour, i.e. your comment about being obsessive and being right. Thereby, disproving your claim that you do not object to my posts.

Is that a reasonable assesment of the relevant passages of posts?

 

[Brigadier]

I've been criticised many times, notably by Brigadier and BT for using insults in these threads, yet they are so slow, or fail completely, to criticise others who use racially abusive insults.

I criticised your hypocrisy RH ("I do not accept abusive practice"), not the abusiveness in itself.

So you don't object to me criticising those that make racially abusive comments?

Not in the least.

yeah, OK

But this sums up RH's obsession with being "right"....../

There are other posts of yours I could use, Brigadier.

As you struggle to understand a direct, honest, four word answer to a direct question, humour me with the same confusion - what on earth are you on about?

OK, allow me to explain the last couple of relevant passages of comments between us:

1. I, kind of asked, if you objected to me criticising racially abusive comments?

2. You replied with. "not in the least."

3. So I find a recent quote of yours that criticises me, my comments and my position on racially abusive behaviour, i.e. your comment about being obsessive and being right. Thereby, disproving your claim that you do not object to my posts.

Is that a reasonable assesment of the relevant passages of posts?

You're getting desperate now, RH - quote-mining from any context, in a vain attempt to discredit a poster. For the record, my quote was regarding your wordplay to continue your support for Positive Discrimination oops Action - sod all to do with racially-abusive posting.

Using your logic, here's a little quote that you made earlier (in Reparations for Slavery - as it is locked, and I'm not a professional forum-stalker like yourself, please forgive the formatting). I didn't even have to search for this one

gasbanni wrote:
......
Unfortunately slavery is alive and well in many parts of the world today and some newspaper reports show its happening here today.
Mans inhumanity to man very much occuring still.


"Slavery is alive and well" Oh, so that makes it alright, then. icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif
We don't need to concern ourselves. icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif

Read more: //www.diynot.com/forums/general-discussion/reparations-for-slavery.397464/page-2#ixzz31reYpNol


So, in summary,

You quoted Gasbanni, who stated that "Unfortunately slavery is alive and well........."you can read the rest above for yourselves.
Gasbanni clearly does not support slavery.

You then (immediately below, no less) quite deliberately remove the "Unfortunately", capitalise the S of "slavery", put it inside quotation marks, and embolden it.
You then use this "quote" of Gasbanni's to imply him to support slavery.

Using your line of "reasoning", I reason that you are a devious, dishonest, cowardly liar, to have deliberately altered a poster's quotation to completely reverse its meaning, and therefore all other posts you make are to be treated as same.

Less CoatHanger - better DropClanger.

 

[RogueHanger]

You're getting desperate now, RH - quote-mining from any context, in a vain attempt to discredit a poster. For the record, my quote was regarding your wordplay to continue your support for Positive Discrimination oops Action - sod all to do with racially-abusive posting.

Using your logic, here's a little quote that you made earlier (in Reparations for Slavery - as it is locked, and I'm not a professional forum-stalker like yourself, please forgive the formatting). I didn't even have to search for this one

gasbanni wrote:
......
Unfortunately slavery is alive and well in many parts of the world today and some newspaper reports show its happening here today.
Mans inhumanity to man very much occuring still.


"Slavery is alive and well" Oh, so that makes it alright, then. icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif
We don't need to concern ourselves. icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif

Read more: //www.diynot.com/forums/general-discussion/reparations-for-slavery.397464/page-2#ixzz31reYpNol


So, in summary,

You quoted Gasbanni, who stated that "Unfortunately slavery is alive and well........."you can read the rest above for yourselves.
Gasbanni clearly does not support slavery.

You then (immediately below, no less) quite deliberately remove the "Unfortunately", capitalise the S of "slavery", put it inside quotation marks, and embolden it.
You then use this "quote" of Gasbanni's to imply him to support slavery.

Using your line of "reasoning", I reason that you are a devious, dishonest, cowardly liar, to have deliberately altered a poster's quotation to completely reverse its meaning, and therefore all other posts you make are to be treated as same.

Less CoatHanger - better DropClanger.

You've resorted to ad hominem arguments as well now Bigadier.

 

[JBR]

So, in summary,

You quoted Gasbanni, who stated that "Unfortunately slavery is alive and well........."you can read the rest above for yourselves.
Gasbanni clearly does not support slavery.

You then (immediately below, no less) quite deliberately remove the "Unfortunately", capitalise the S of "slavery", put it inside quotation marks, and embolden it.
You then use this "quote" of Gasbanni's to imply him to support slavery.

Using your line of "reasoning", I reason that you are a devious, dishonest, cowardly liar, to have deliberately altered a poster's quotation to completely reverse its meaning, and therefore all other posts you make are to be treated as same.

Less CoatHanger - better DropClanger.

I haven't read his blatherings, but surely now everyone knows this man(?) is a complete idiot, and an offensive one too.

Just ignore him.