Hmmm , we all know what happened to the pollsters in the last general election, so I'd take what the polls say with a pinch of salt.
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I agree, it might end up being 75-25 to stay.
But the average of several recent large-scale reputable public polls is a million times better than looking at a self-selected bunch on a forum. Only an idiot would take that seriously.
But the average of several recent large-scale reputable public polls is a million times better than looking at a self-selected bunch on a forum. Only an idiot would take that seriously.
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Well I do apologise for the way I phrase things but I do like to use the English language. I take part in a number of forums on the internet so am no novice to them but you do seem to be a rather angry person and as for you friend, I hope that he calms down a little. Believing the mainstream media can result in one becoming pretty stressed about life.
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I would be inclined to agree with you if it was only one poll on one site.
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A few odd nutters want to stay in.
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I'd say that calling them nutters is a bit harsh, from a couple of sites I visit, on one off road vehicle builders forum, the majority are as you would expect for leaving.. This includes a couple of Bulgarians a Pole and a brace of big ugly chaps who are incredibly skilled with steel, engines and design, several own their own companies who export their products and goods and one self confessed Communist who races a mat black Unimog. Needless to say he and a Dutch marine engineer are the only two who wish to remain but we are all intelligent, practical folk there and the banter is good natured . Among the drivers of Bavaria's ultimate Middle Class chariots, the results are pretty much the same as the results above, though there are more who are unsure which way to go than there are BSE supporters, a couple of very vocal chaps there were trying to silence the Leave supporters but one was an asian chap living in Germany and another was an asian living in Yorkshire.
Both of them have had several threads closed by crying "Foul" after they had brought their religion into the mix and had been ridiculed so they entered into the discussion with a chip on their shoulder, among the other guys and girls a useful exchange is made even if we don't always agree..
What I have found is that the more practical and useful folk tend to be for the Exit where as folk who find themselves in dead end, worthless paper pushing jobs tend to support to remain, perhaps because it is in their nature to under achieve and to cling to what they see as the safe status quo rather than to enjoy a challenge. Another group that I have identified who support the remain campaign are folk who rely on the state for their income and home, they tend to be of the belief that they are Socialists and therefore are Corbyn supporters... Naturally they embrace the idea of the superstate and all of the benefits that not working for a living brings
Both of them have had several threads closed by crying "Foul" after they had brought their religion into the mix and had been ridiculed so they entered into the discussion with a chip on their shoulder, among the other guys and girls a useful exchange is made even if we don't always agree..
What I have found is that the more practical and useful folk tend to be for the Exit where as folk who find themselves in dead end, worthless paper pushing jobs tend to support to remain, perhaps because it is in their nature to under achieve and to cling to what they see as the safe status quo rather than to enjoy a challenge. Another group that I have identified who support the remain campaign are folk who rely on the state for their income and home, they tend to be of the belief that they are Socialists and therefore are Corbyn supporters... Naturally they embrace the idea of the superstate and all of the benefits that not working for a living brings
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Davie absolutely nailed it. People who believe in independence, standing on your own two feet, working for what you have, being 'self made' and all that, tend to favour Brexit. Those who rely heavily on others for help and guidance, community mentality etc, seem to favour remain.
And it seems to me all the arguments boil down to two points of view:
- If we leave, things will change. Some of those things will be very good, and we can handle the bad stuff. i.e. Brexiters are optimists.
- If we leave, things will change. Some of those things will be very bad, and we're too weak to handle it. i.e. Remainers are pessimists.
Since we know that the population of the UK does not match your experience, we can conclude that the sort of people you mix with are not representative of the UK.
Pure waffle.
Puerile attempt at insult.
Come on, you can do better than this!
Try a well-constructed argument, not silly waffle or pathetic attempts at insults.
I can understand your enmity towards someone who proves your wrong time and time again.
Perhaps it also explains the level of your intellect.
You're incapable of rational argument or sensible discussion so you want to resort to fisticuffs.
Pray continue being the forum clown.
Your second point of view was correct. Well done for encapsulating it so well. Other than that, I'd say that Brexiters are dreamers, delusional even , and Remainers are pragmatists.
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I'm very sorry but we do not know that. The sites that you visit tell you that.
Only an idiot like the person above would think that this is a representative sample of the UK population.
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