Is the world ganging up on her? Or is it the other way round?

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

How many times must you fail to see what is being negotiated is not just a number, there are issues with regulation, trade etc that have nothing to do with actual financial cost.

When you negotiate for some work do you also negotiate the regulations? No.

Until some progress is made (on citizen's rights, so-called 'divorce bill' etc) there is no possibility of negotiations on trade, regulation, etc.

 

[JohnD]

the total incompetence and disarray among our government has led to the "negotiations" collapsing to a (hopefully temporary) halt.

Davies left the current session, scheduled for four days, after fifteen minutes.

 

[JohnD]

Observe the copious preparation by the Brits

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

The over-riding messages and reports are of incompetence by the UK contingent:

Jokes aside, if you talk to him (David Davis) or his team they say they are making good progress, that the negotiations are now properly under way, he is totally on top of his brief - move on, nothing to see here.
But talking to several different sources this week, who have been close to the talks, none of whom want to see them fail, some distinctly less optimistic signals have emerged. There is a long list of agenda items, inevitably, and it's complicated, ....
There is frustration that ministers are still relying on tropes like "frictionless border", or "the days of paying vast sums are over", rather than pushing on with the details....
This lack of pace therefore makes, it's feared, the possibility of crashing out, or the talks breaking down in the autumn more likely. ....

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-40655843

Very disappointing and worrying.

It reminds me of my student days. When I had projects or assignments to do, I would do all the other jobs before, or perhaps, in preference of starting the difficult tasks. The washing, the ironing, the hoovering, the shopping, the windows, etc, all would be cleaned/sorted rather than tackling the difficult tasks of the project or assignment.
Only when I had run out of excuses to delay the project/ assignment, would I start the real work.

 

[JohnD]

"The warning comes after eyebrows were raised over David Davis, the Brexit Secretary, leaving the talks after just one hour on Monday.

Mr Davis made only a flying visit to Brussels, speaking with Mr Barnier for no more than 15 minutes, before heading back to London and leaving the negotiations to his officials.

The agenda for the four-day talks includes the rights of EU citizens in the UK – and British ex-pats in the EU – the exit bill and the Northern Ireland border."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...el-barnier-brussels-david-davis-a7847641.html

 

[SirGalahad]

The EU called the UK's bluff, it started with all this bluster of not negotiating but just telling the EU our demands as a take it or leave it scenario. Guess what the EU said sure we will leave it, lets sort out your leaving requirements to which the UK negotiators thought - this wasn't planned we were supposed to just swan in sign some agreements.

 

[Doug99]

Anyone who considers that the pic of the Brexit team at the table without any documents is indicative of their negotiation preps, are fools. Its a typical media non story as no doubt if Davis had a pile of papers in front of him, the same media would be zooming in their cameras seeking to read their contents for a front page headline.

 

[transam]

Anyone who considers that the pic of the Brexit team at the table without any documents is indicative of their negotiation preps, are fools. Its a typical media non story as no doubt if Davis had a pile of papers in front of him, the same media would be zooming in their cameras seeking to read their contents for a front page headline.

exactly noseall & co can always be relied on to make a mountain out of a mole hill

perhaps he took no notes to the meeting due to the Russians having a spy in the room igor bondski

 

[SirGalahad]

The fact we are negotiating in their offices tells you all you need to know about who has control. Our approach should have been based on pragmatism not dogma and bravado.

 

[JohnD]

perhaps he took no notes to the meeting due to the Russians having a spy in the room igor bondski

If he was only staying for 15 minutes, he won't have needed any notes.

However, if he was planning to actually do some useful work in the four-day session....

 

[JohnD]

I suppose, since the government hasn't decided what they want him to do, and what the country's objectives and priorities are, he's not in a position to perform any negotiation. Maybe Mrs May's strategy is to irritate the 27 so they will be pleased to see her gone.

"Theresa May calls for unity after battles between ministers
Rivals jockey for position as Brexit row threatens to consume government"
https://www.ft.com/content/1bf22b9e-6b06-11e7-bfeb-33fe0c5b7eaa

"BREXIT BUST-UP
Philip Hammond admits the Cabinet is bitterly divided over the future of Brexit leading to public rows
The Chancellor said he was targeted by colleagues who disagree with his EU strategy"
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/40291...-the-future-of-brexit-leading-to-public-rows/

"Theresa May would have the backing of Tory MPs if she sacked disloyal ministers for plotting and briefing, a senior backbencher says.
Charles Walker, vice-chairman of the backbench 1922 Committee, told ministers to "stop chattering away".
Earlier the prime minister told her cabinet to show "strength and unity" as she attempted to stem recent leaks."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40639715

"According to the Observer, the kind of exit from the EU that Mrs May is pursuing has revealed "a picture of incapacity, incompetence, self-deception, dishonesty, partisanship, and harmful confusion".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-40621905

"What next from the lords of misrule, the Tory hard Brexiters who seem to be enjoying playing party political games with our futures while the world looks on bemused, if not baffled? Day after day, they stumble on, deaf to warnings on every side and blind to hard, objective facts – that delusions and jingoistic illusions do not a plan make. How did we get here? Is this the best Britain can do?"
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...inst-deceitful-and-incompetent-hard-brexiters

 

[noseall]

exactly noseall & co can always be relied on to make a mountain out of a mole hill

Not this chicken. Try telling a different lie.

 

[Roger928]

Not this chicken. Try telling a different lie.

Think icebergs. Liar noseal.

 

[noseall]

Think icebergs. Liar noseal.

Ask your nurse to lower your dosage. It's causing you to hallucinate.

 

[Roger928]

The charge is that you make a mountain out of a molehill.. post 198..
https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/brexit-negotiations-proceeding-er-well-er.485184/page-14

Yep... perfectly true.