Is immigration good or bad ?

[vinty]

You are confusing uncontrolled immigration with freedom of movement.

Much the same thing.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

If you are a young white girl in say Telford, you may say that immigration is definitely bad.
And you may also say that the white native liberal apologists are even worse. And I'd agree.

I see woody believes the Daily Mirror stories, instead of the Police who are in charge of the investigation.
Do not let facts get in the way of urban mythology.
That figures. It is woody's opportunity to denigrate all immigrants irrespective of the facts. And others even manage to argue for Brexit on the back of this urban mythology. (sammyinnit)

A Sunday Mirror investigation blah, blah, blah

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-43385515

However, the police in charge said:

But Supt Harding, who is in overall charge of policing in Telford, rejected a number of the claims.
He said police and local authorities in Telford were working with "approximately 46 young people" who were victims of child sexual exploitation (CSE) or considered "at risk".
Supt Harding also disputed claims offenders are predominantly groups of Asian men
What I would say is sexual offending across Telford and Wrekin is virtually identically proportionate to the break-down of society, so it is not one particular section over others

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-43385515

The possibility, nay the probability, that some of Asian these criminals were second or subsequent generations of immigrants, and not those enjoying free movement under EU principles, is carefully misconstrued.

If any reduction or loss of freedom of movement is to be compromised by additional numbers of immigrants from elsewhere, where will these additional immigrants come from?

 

[Notch7]

UNCONTROLLED Immigration is bad. Which prat thinks that is what the EU has forced on Britain?

Immigration that the UK could exercise jurisdiction over, but hasnt, is bad.

As a member EU freedom of movement is not optional, for those that qualify. There have been large number of people coming to the UK from Europe. Those people, the UK do not have control.

If there is an honest debate to be had, leavers need to agree that not all immigration is due to freedom of movement and remainers need to be honest about the numbers of people that have come to this country as part of their right to freedom of movement.

The UK government at the time did not exercise their right to prevent immigration from new EU member states, which has probably lead to many of the concerns that exist now.

Now that Poland and the other Eastern European countries have had significant EU investment and are growing their economies maybe that is naturally slowing migration so perhaps freedom of movement would have slowed and not become the future issue that has fuelled the fear.

 

[SammyInnit]

You are confusing uncontrolled immigration with freedom of movement.

Lol. Implying they're different is amusing.

If you can freely move between countries and settle that's immigration that is uncontrollable by government.

You seem to be the sort that needs everything explained. Noseall? Nosefuckall might be better suited.

 

[durhamplumber]

Lol. Implying they're different is amusing.

If you can freely move between countries and settle that's immigration that is uncontrollable by government.

You seem to be the sort that needs everything explained. Noseall? Nosefuckall might be better suited.

Exactly

 

[SirGalahad]

Lol. Implying they're different is amusing.

If you can freely move between countries and settle that's immigration that is uncontrollable by government.

You seem to be the sort that needs everything explained. Noseall? Nosefuckall might be better suited.

Don't let facts spoil a good old rant.

 

[SirGalahad]

there is a boiler called a logic a range of boilers


and turn the light out as u shut the door

The pun was intended. I do have an Ideal Logic boiler. It seems that as usual it went over your head. Perhaps next time I will have to put a disclaimer at the bottom.

 

[SirGalahad]

No he didn't.

see post #106 and #107

 

[SirGalahad]

Immigration that the UK could exercise jurisdiction over, but hasnt, is bad.

As a member EU freedom of movement is not optional, for those that qualify. There have been large number of people coming to the UK from Europe. Those people, the UK do not have control.

If there is an honest debate to be had, leavers need to agree that not all immigration is due to freedom of movement and remainers need to be honest about the numbers of people that have come to this country as part of their right to freedom of movement.

The UK government at the time did not exercise their right to prevent immigration from new EU member states, which has probably lead to many of the concerns that exist now.

Now that Poland and the other Eastern European countries have had significant EU investment and are growing their economies maybe that is naturally slowing migration so perhaps freedom of movement would have slowed and not become the future issue that has fuelled the fear.

A sensible post. As to an honest debate. This then has to cover how we want to structure our economy.

 

[TicTac]

Well, yes and no. The EU demands free movement of people be allowed, then makes the caveat that you've got to get a job within 3 months, but because we don't count people in and out, nor make them register, we have no control over anything whatsoever, so we're trying to control immigration, against the EU's determination to enforce free movement, and were doing a crap job of implementing the EU's wriggle room legislation.

This problem is one of the governments making. TM should have implemented much better immigration controls when she was home secretary, and the border force should be beefed up, but I can't see Amber Rudd doing any better.

 

[Mike10]

Supt Harding also disputed claims offenders are predominantly groups of Asian men
What I would say is sexual offending across Telford and Wrekin is virtually identically proportionate to the break-down of society, so it is not one particular section over others

Really?

http://www.pmclauth.com/sentenced/Grooming-Gang-Statistics/Gangs-Jailed

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

Really?

http://www.pmclauth.com/sentenced/Grooming-Gang-Statistics/Gangs-Jailed

FFS. From the same web site:

Considering that Twitter and Facebook have banned me, YouTube has removed entire channels,

The same site.

But DIYnot is happy to host the islamophobic content.

 

[Brigadier]

see post #106 and #107

READ post #106, and #107.

 

[SirGalahad]

READ post #106, and #107.

I have. But enlighten me.

 

[Brigadier]

It's (very clearly) an opinion, not a statement as you claim.

But that wouldn't allow you to go off on your chosen crusade, so you misquote him / her.
Pretty standard M.O. around here