DC stay or go

Should DC stay or go.

  • Yes has has overstepped the line - i am not a tory voter

  • Yes has has overstepped the line - i am a tory voter

  • No i believe he should stay - i am a tory voter

  • No i believe he should stay - i am not a tory voter

  • Yes he needs to go - i did vote tory but i've had enough of Boris/DC corruption


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Yes and me although possibly for different reasons than you.
her Brexit stance?

I think Lisa was a remain voter in 2016, but took a more Leave stance which represented her constituents. I think Lisa comes across very well in interviews.

I imagine this last year has been a hard time for Labour Leave voters -'a rock and a hard place' choice.
 
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Of course he should go.

But he won't.

Because a large percentage of the electorate appears to have a masochistic tendency which involves enjoying being lied to!
 
And to think, DC is one of those unelected officials that are apparently so common in the EU, and yet we can't seem to get rid of him....


We can't but BJ can...

Can you imagine During the war. Montgomery stepped out of line...

Would Winston Churchill get rid of someone so valuable to the war effort....


I know what your thinking.... Madness... Madness they call it madness....
 
It would be helpful to listen to a bit more can the edited 2 minute clip. From about 27 minutes in,


Well at least people have now seen how they are targetted and manipulated. ;) Some probably think no it didn't effect me - jokers. The lot that got Mrs T in power made a lot of use of professional advertising agencies. Labour and others lag way way behind in this sort of thing. People are still under Mrs T's spell as well.

Farage did help him as he set the scene. No doubt about that. He preset a fair number of out votes. Immigration and bureaucrats (civil servants) etc. The leave margin was only 3%. Notice Cummins doesn't rule out immigration - just pushes it to the side line. The main reasons for racism still remain.

Politician's opinions swing with the wind as they need to gain votes to be elected. The fact that they have may not mean that their personal views have changed at all.

I'm sure Cummins could explain why Greece had problems. It's the sort of thing that can happen when different countries have a common currency. None can live over there means and need to play by the rules. Similar comments have been made about a fully independent Scotland not using the GBP. Policies have to match so they would need their own currency.

Maybe the Liberals have taught them that not delivering on major policies really is bad news. A problem there may be what he mentioned about typical Tories. Could be why some want to get rid of him. Time and time again they have mentioned emotive subjects that have nothing what so ever to do with what he did. Makes me wonder what some of them will do when another election comes along. Can they change the lot - doubt it.

This thread tittle though. I have already posted extracts from the rules that show he could do what he did and others could have and may have anyway.
 
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Because a large percentage of the electorate appears to have a masochistic tendency which involves enjoying being lied to!

LOL What's different. Politics is always about making things look a bit better than they may be in practice. Perhaps the left is generally more straight forwards.

What some need to get to grips with is that we are coming out of one grand experiment and are about to enter a new one.

Personally I think the old one was ok as any arrangement in the modern world will have it's problems. It was slowly achieving some of it's aims. The new one ????? have to wait and see.

The UK's problems? Totally different subject and in no way related to the EU. Those are entirely down to profit margins and ease of achieving them. Whoops should add if more things are made here.
 
Not that Brilliant really.

He is an elitist. Something I am not that keen on particularly when it's just qualification based. He has made comments that suggests he sees it that way. They are a yardstick for measuring people but real intelligence still varies.
 
LOL What's different. Politics is always about making things look a bit better than they may be in practice. Perhaps the left is generally more straight forwards.

What some need to get to grips with is that we are coming out of one grand experiment and are about to enter a new one.

Personally I think the old one was ok as any arrangement in the modern world will have it's problems. It was slowly achieving some of it's aims. The new one ????? have to wait and see.

The UK's problems? Totally different subject and in no way related to the EU. Those are entirely down to profit margins and ease of achieving them. Whoops should add if more things are made here.
ajohn, with respect, your comment, (and the previous one) look like a jumble of thoughts masquerading as a reasoned comment.

Perhaps you might permit me to go through your post with my own comments, from an outsider, who didn't know what you were thinking when you wrote your post.

"Politics is always about making things look a bit better than they may be in practice."
Not necessarily, politics can also be about being truthful, or even painting a worse picture than reality. For example: highlighting a minor issue to mask a more major issue.

"Perhaps the left is generally more straight forwards."
Surely, it isn't about the ideology. It's about the integrity of the politician.

"What some need to get to grips with is that we are coming out of one grand experiment and are about to enter a new one."
Where are you going now? What 'grand experiment are you talking about'? When you explain what grand experiment you are talking about, you need to have some agreement about whether it is/was an experiment at all. Then what new 'experiment' are we about to enter? Additionally, why do some need to get to grips with it? Who do you think is not 'at grips with it'?

"Personally I think the old one was ok as any arrangement in the modern world will have it's problems. It was slowly achieving some of it's aims. The new one ????? have to wait and see."
The old what? Are you still talking about experiments? New paragraphs, (in your style) tend to indicate a change of subject, but is this new paragraph an anomaly in your style? If you are still talking about experiments, why do they have problems in the modern world, implying that they don't in the 'old' world? What were the aims of the old 'experiment'?

"The UK's problems? Totally different subject and in no way related to the EU. "
A typical total change of subject without signposts. What UK problems are you referring to? If it is a totally different subject and in now way related to the EU, why mention it?


I do hope that you do not take my comments as anything other than constructive criticism. I have tried to be polite, and constructive.
 
Of course he should go.

But he won't.

Because a large percentage of the electorate appears to have a masochistic tendency which involves enjoying being lied to!
Yeah, not nice being lied to. They take you for idiots, these liars.
 
"Politics is always about making things look a bit better than they may be in practice."
Not necessarily, politics can also be about being truthful, or even painting a worse picture than reality. For example: highlighting a minor issue to mask a more major issue
You've mentioned examples of what I mean.

"Perhaps the left is generally more straight forwards."
Surely, it isn't about the ideology. It's about the integrity of the politician
It often seems to be but I feel integrity and politics do not mix well. For instance that video explaining how the eu vote was swung. Integrity?

"What some need to get to grips with is that we are coming out of one grand experiment and are about to enter a new one."
Where are you going now? What 'grand experiment are you talking about'? When you explain what grand experiment you are talking about, you need to have some agreement about whether it is/was an experiment at all. Then what new 'experiment' are we about to enter? Additionally, why do some need to get to grips with it? Who do you think is not 'at grips with it'?
In and out of the EU. This forum seems to have problems dealing with that. The word experiment has been used in relation to the EU so why not out of it. In some respects it is. I would expect people to have heard the use of the word experiment in respect to the EU.

"Personally I think the old one was ok as any arrangement in the modern world will have it's problems. It was slowly achieving some of it's aims. The new one ????? have to wait and see."
The old what? Are you still talking about experiments? New paragraphs, (in your style) tend to indicate a change of subject, but is this new paragraph an anomaly in your style? If you are still talking about experiments, why do they have problems in the modern world, implying that they don't in the 'old' world? What were the aims of the old 'experiment'?
You think he world hasn't changed in the last 40 years? I assure you it has in a number of ways.

"The UK's problems? Totally different subject and in no way related to the EU. "
A typical total change of subject without signposts. What UK problems are you referring to? If it is a totally different subject and in now way related to the EU, why mention it?
A fact of life. The UK does have problems. A number of them. One of them has been seen by some as being in the EU. That is not correct. If being in it has helped with these problems or made some worse is another subject.
 
Can you imagine During the war. Montgomery stepped out of line...

Would Winston Churchill get rid of someone so valuable to the war effort....


I know what your thinking.... Madness... Madness they call it madness....
Not stepped out of line Bodd. Told the populus to do one thing and he did the opposite..Better comparison might have been during WW2 Monty telling everything to fight whilst he scarpered the other way..WW1 would have been shot...Me fancies that is a better comparison..Grosss hypocricy
 
Police investigation complete.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coro.../ar-BB14HPeJ?ocid=spartanntp#image=BB11N6vs|4

Dominic Cummings might have broken lockdown rules when he made a 50-mile journey to Barnard Castle, an investigation by Durham Police has concluded.

The Prime Minister’s most senior aide claimed he made the trip on Easter Sunday, with his wife and four-year-old son, to check he was fit to drive after suffering coronavirus-related eyesight problems.

Mr Cummings insisted he had acted “lawfully and reasonably” at all times when he made the 260-mile journey from London to Durham to self-isolate at his parents’ farm at the end of March.

But an investigation by Durham Police concluded he might have committed a "minor breach" of the guidelines when he drove to Barnard Castle on April 12.

However the force, which according to the most recent data, has issued 137 fines for lockdown breaches, said it would not be taking any further action against Mr Cummings.

The force said it had investigated Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) evidence, had interviewed a witness and had reviewed the information provided by Mr Cummings at his press conference before arriving at its conclusion.

It has spoken to Mr Cummings directly to inform him of its decision.

The force said it did not consider Mr Cummings had breached the regulations when self-isolating at his father’s farm in Durham at the end of March but that the trip to Barnard Castle did constitute a “minor breach”.

Its statement said the journey “might have been a minor breach of the regulations that would have warranted police intervention”.

The statement went on: “Durham Constabulary view this is as minor because there was no apparent breach of social distancing.
 
Yeah, not nice being lied to. They take you for idiots, these liars.
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keep 'em cumming mottie :LOL:
 
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