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Nout to do with R L or centre..Give over man.
We was conned..
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But Steve Bannon got his pardon before being tried in court.
Maybe - but the assumption must be that he is guilty of the offence.
Giuliani has said he doesn't want a pardon because he has committed no crime.
Giuliani has said he doesn't want a pardon because he has committed no crime.
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I don't see sensible people falling for the QAnon nonsense - they are all RWR.
You mean there isn't a cabal of Satan worshipping cannibalistic paedophiles running a global child sex trafficking ring whilst plotting against the Donald?
Damn, fooled again.
The plot thickens...
Whilst much disappointment abound, the stupidest of stupid (USA branch of the RWR) are undeterred. They are currently using their shared brain cell, in an effort to contort the conspiracy theory around recent events so that it appears the whole Inauguration day arrests thing was a ploy. By the end of the week you will have a new conspiracy theory born from the ashes of the old.
Stupid does not go anywhere near far enough.
And we have Boris et al to look forward to.
I think, like a lot of us, you assume that a pardon in America is the same as a pardon in a normal country! USA is a (very) foreign country, with the confusion caused by them (sort of) speaking English.
I'd be interested to see support from a US Federal Court decision, or even an opinion from a respected Constitutional Lawyer, saying that a pardon does not imply guilt.
This point has been quite widely discussed during the closing days of the trump presidency.
Start here:
"A federal pardon in the United States is the action of the President of the United States that completely sets aside the punishment for a federal crime. The authority to take such action is granted to the president by Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution. A pardon is one form of the clemency power of the president, the others being commutation of sentence, remission of fine or restitution, and reprieve.[1] A person may decide not to accept a pardon, in which case it does not take effect;[2] according to a Supreme Court majority opinion in Burdick v. United States a pardon "carries an imputation of guilt; acceptance a confession of it".
and look here
"Burdick v. United States
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Supreme Court of the United States
Argued December 16, 1914
Decided January 25, 1915
Full case name George Burdick v. United States
Citations 236 U.S. 79 (more)
35 S. Ct. 267; 59 L. Ed. 476; 1915 U.S. LEXIS 1799
Case history
Prior United States v. Burdick, 211 F. 492 (S.D.N.Y. 1914)
Court membership
Chief Justice
Edward D. White
Associate Justices
Joseph McKenna · Oliver W. Holmes Jr.
William R. Day · Charles E. Hughes
Willis Van Devanter · Joseph R. Lamar
Mahlon Pitney · James C. McReynolds
Case opinion
Majority McKenna, joined by White, Holmes, Day, Hughes, Van Devanter, Lamar, Pitney
McReynolds took no part in the consideration or decision of the case.
Burdick v. United States, 236 U.S. 79 (1915), was a case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that:
- A pardoned person must introduce the pardon into court proceedings, otherwise the pardon must be disregarded by the court.
- To do that, the pardoned person must accept the pardon. If a pardon is rejected, it cannot be forced upon its subject.
United States v. Wilson (1833) established that it is possible to reject a (conditional) pardon, even for a capital sentence. Burdick affirmed that the same principle extends to unconditional pardons.
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durhamplumber
No more so than left and centre..regardless of Qanon...
I've mentioned visiting USA colleagues before. More or less ordinary people. There view of UK politics was interesting. PM question time is shown to them for light relief. They say that unlike the UK their parties see things a lot more similarly where as ours are poles apart. Then along comes Trump. Sound bite electioneering and other similar things - targetting groups etc. Nationalism.
Then Biden mentioning The Union a lot. This seems to be down to some states being able to leave it if they want and some people living in them are mentioning that.
Our current lot when they have visited the USA have ignored the Democrats and spent their time talking to right wing think tanks. Our ambassador thinks that was unwise.
Then along comes Trump. Sound bite electioneering and other similar things - targetting groups etc. Nationalism.Then Biden mentioning The Union a lot. This seems to be down to some states being able to leave it if they want and some people living in them are mentioning that.
Our current lot when they have visited the USA have ignored the Democrats and spent their time talking to right wing think tanks. Our ambassador thinks that was unwise.
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Let's also not forget that the Republicans nominated Trump for re-election to President only about 10 months ago, in March 2020
He had their wholehearted support just 10 months ago winning the nomination by more votes than any previous incumbent republican president.
And now they want distance themselves from him, publicly at least.
He had their wholehearted support just 10 months ago winning the nomination by more votes than any previous incumbent republican president.
And now they want distance themselves from him, publicly at least.
Did he or was it like more people turning up for when he was sworn in compared with Obama.
Bannon supports the Dignitatis Humanae Institute, a right-wing Catholic organization in Italy formerly based in what was previously Trisulti Charterhouse; Bannon drafted a leadership course curriculum for the group to train conservative Catholic political activists.[195] In 2018, Bannon announced that he planned to establish a right-wing academy on the site,[196][197] with the support of Benjamin Harnwell, a British associate of Bannon's who underwrote the project and aimed to create a "gladiator school for culture warriors."[198] However, in 2019, the group's rights to use the former monastery were revoked by the Italian government due to failure to pay rent and conduct maintenance work.[19
He has stated that the aim of that was to get Christians to think as some muslim groups do. To level things up. Same sort of attitude to none Christian religions.
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I didn't realise but apparently there are several (possibly 3) co defendants due to go to trial. With Bannon pardoned, the co defendants only need to say 'Steve did it' and they walk.
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