Amnesty for

[noseall]

No NHS number.

If they are illegal and they won’t say where they are from, where would you send them to? Would other countries accept them if they have no proof? What if all those in France say they are British?

The above quote is for the attention of transam, or any other mug that reads from the RWR storyline.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

More than 10 years ago, a GP receptionist customer of mine told me of 30, yes, thirty people in her surgery in Canning Town were registered at one address in a block of flats.

No NHS number.

Mottie has just rubbished his previous nonsense.
I think he forgets what he says from one day to the next.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Is it not ilegal to give false information to obtain medical treatment and perscriptions.

All those hypochondriacs turned into criminals?

What is to stop someone registering with multiple doctors to get free drugs.

Err a NHS database (which already exists) with the doctor/practice registered against the patients NI Number?
You mean it doesn't already exist? Well there you go, the government want to get there ass in gear and create one.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

How do they identify the illegals in order to inject them in the first place?

If they are illegal and they won’t say where they are from, where would you send them to? Would other countries accept them if they have no proof? What if all those in France say they are British?

Well the UK could build an elaborate infrastructure of CCTV with facial recognition software that could identify each person and associate them with a record on a national database to see if they are bona fide citizens or illegals.

Then the system could be (ab)used for all sorts of other things.

Or they could enact legislation to make other citizens perform all sorts of checks before employment, health treatment, services, schooling, etc is allowed.
Oh, they already do that? Doesn't that create some sort of underworld?

 

[Mottie]

Mottie has just rubbished his previous nonsense.
I think he forgets what he says from one day to the next.

You know nothing about GP surgeries. ANYONE can apply to join a GP surgery. The are SUPPOSED to carry out an id check - could be a lease, a rent book, official letters to them at that address etc. The GP can then take them on to their books. The minute they are taken on, they are given a NHS number FOR LIFE. Dodgy doctors looking to fill their books and get payment for patients are sometimes 'lax' with the id check. These are generally NHS tourists that you hear about. The true illegals - car washers, sex workers, nail bar girls etc don’t bother with GP surgeries.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

You know nothing about GP surgeries. ANYONE can apply to join a GP surgery. The are SUPPOSED to carry out an id check - could be a lease, a rent book, official letters to them at that address etc. The GP can then take them on to their books. The minute they are taken on, they are given a NHS number FOR LIFE. Dodgy doctors looking to fill their books and get payment for patients are sometimes 'lax' with the id check. These are generally NHS tourists that you hear about. The true illegals - car washers, sex workers, nail bar girls etc don’t bother with GP surgeries.

Are you suggesting that there is no government/NHS database that can cross-check patients with registered doctors/practices?
Or a NI Number database that can cross-check names and DOBs, etc with issued NI Numbers?

Well, whose fault is that?
And don't these people get a bit confused when they forget which NI number to use?
Can I become your patient, please, doctor?
Yes, what's your NI number?
I haven't got one.
Really, have you just landed from Mars?
No.
Well what was your previous address, DOB, name, Dr, employer, school, or whatever?

Additionally, previous claims about numbers of immigrants according to issued NI Numbers has also now been rubbished.
It's quite amusing to see one argument proffered by RWR rubbishing their other arguments

 

[Mottie]

Are you suggesting that there is no government/NHS database that can cross-check patients with registered doctors/practices?
Or a NI Number database that can cross-check names and DOBs, etc with issued NI Numbers?

Well, whose fault is that?
And don't these people get a bit confused when they forget which NI number to use?
Can I become your patient, please, doctor?
Yes, what's your NI number?
I haven't got one.
Really, have you just landed from Mars?
No.
Well what was your previous address, DOB, name, Dr, employer, school, or whatever?

Additionally, previous claims about numbers of immigrants according to issued NI Numbers has also now been rubbished.
It's quite amusing to see one argument proffered by RWR rubbishing their other arguments

Like I said, you know feck all about GP surgeries.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Like I said, you know feck all about GP surgeries.

And as an MOT tester, you know more?
Or perhaps your informants are more informed than my informants?

 

[JohnD]

According to mottie, more than ten years ago, somebody told him something which he thinks is meaningful.

How many years ago was he told that Brexit would not cause border problems with NI, and that UK would not lose free access to the single market?

Perhaps he believes slogans written on red buses as well.

Luckily mottie doesn't care.

Is Turkey joining the EU, mottie?

How many millions of Turks are coming here?

 

[Mottie]

And as an MOT tester, you know more?
Or perhaps your informants are more informed than my informants?

Yes, my wife worked as a receptionist in a GP surgery. First hand experience although you would never believe any examples I give you so I won’t waste my time. Luckily they were red hot on that sort of thing as well as taking people from outside their catchment area. You wouldn’t have been able to move out and still remain on the books in their surgery because "it was convenient" to you. It has to be convenient for the GP.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Yes, my wife worked as a receptionist in a GP surgery. First hand experience although you would never believe any examples I give you so I won’t waste my time. Luckily they were red hot on that sort of thing as well as taking people from outside their catchment area. You wouldn’t have been able to move out and still remain on the books in their surgery because "it was convenient" to you. It has to be convenient for the GP.

Yet you suggest that it is prevalent for people to abuse the system.
Make your mind up.

 

[Mottie]

Yet you suggest that it is prevalent for people to abuse the system.
Make your mind up.

You have two types of doctors. Good, straight ones who really are there to care for their patients and some rotten ones who are there to rake in as much as they can. A system like that will always attract those that want to abuse the system both for those that run it and those that use it. No different from crooked solicitors, bankers, estate agents, landlords, electricians, builders, plumbers, roofers, mot testers, garages........virtually nothing is unabusable.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

You have two types of doctors. Good, straight ones who really are there to care for their patients and some rotten ones who are there to rake in as much as they can. A system like that will always attract those that want to abuse the system both for those that run it and those that use it. No different from crooked solicitors, bankers, estate agents, landlords, electricians, builders, plumbers, roofers, mot testers, garages........virtually nothing is unabusable.

So you consider the ones who are prepared to treat the homeless, sick people irrespective of their status, as the crooked ones?
But the ones that insist on someone having a stable abode, a proof of residence, as straight ones?
If someone can provide a letter or something, showing an address, the 'straight' doctors issue another NI number?

 

[Mottie]

So you consider the ones who are prepared to treat the homeless, sick people irrespective of their status, as the crooked ones?

I suppose you think an employee in a shop or a bank should be able to give away food and money to a homeless person because it’s the 'right' thing to do? Grow up.

For the final time, you have no idea. Not going to keep repeating myself to you, you are clearly unable to process it.

 

[fillyboy]

For the final time,

You'll get sucked back in again just like me. Be abusive, she doesn't like that.