DIY gas thread - I'm confused

[Harry Bloomfield]

Same question should apply to @bernardgreen

I doubt anyone has never made a mistake. I have myself made minor mistakes, but where it comes to expensive things, or dangerous - I have always made a point of never assuming and checking my work as I go, then making a final thorough check to ensure everything is exactly as it should be.

 

[denso13]

my favourite Class [2]

My favourite is Class [5] where you can prove competence after the fact by not blowing your house up.

 

[denso13]

I have always made a point of never assuming and checking my work as I go, then making a final thorough check to ensure everything is exactly as it should be.

Would you install a new gas boiler in your home, illegally, because the likelihood is you won't be prosecuted? It is a simple question.

 

[denso13]

You don't need to when there are "professional" makers of error and omissions.

Would you install a new gas boiler in your home, illegally, because the likelihood is you won't be prosecuted? It is a simple question.

 

[boolie]

What you need is a life!

how rude! we were just having banter - I think the debate was pretty much over unless we can uncover a HSE professional

 

[denso13]

unless we can uncover a HSE professional

You could ask them, but you can't be bothered?

 

[boolie]

You could ask them, but you can't be bothered?

just wait and you might be pleasantly surprised - we may have one in our midst. in which case no need for a FOI

 

[Emit]

how rude! we were just having banter - I think the debate was pretty much over unless we can uncover a HSE professional

Rude! Personally I couldn’t give a toss. your the one being rude with your innuendo that a qualified gas engineer isn’t worth anything as you can quite easily do it yourself. Hey crack on. Think what you want. Like I said check home insurance see how far that gets. Would you argue against a chimney sweep . You do realise they have to be registered and for open flue appliances they need to be inspected etc for house insurance. Or will you just do it yourself, not hard is it

 

[denso13]

just wait and you might be pleasantly surprised

How long? We are at 8 pages now.

 

[boolie]

Rude! Personally I couldn’t give a toss. your the one being rude with your innuendo that a qualified gas engineer isn’t worth anything as you can quite easily do it yourself. Hey crack on. Think what you want. Like I said check home insurance see how far that gets. Would you argue against a chimney sweep . You do realise they have to be registered and for open flue appliances they need to be inspected etc for house insurance. Or will you just do it yourself, not hard is it

Excuse me, you must have missed the bit where I said that my advice is to hire someone with a proven track record. Don't just take qualifications as proof of competence, instead also look for a portfolio of high quality work.

 

[boolie]

How long? We are at 8 pages now.

patience my dear Watson, patience - Ive asked the pro's let see if they respond

 

[Emit]

Excuse me, you must have missed the bit where I said that my advice is to hire someone with a proven track record. Don't just take qualifications as proof of competence, instead also look for a portfolio of high quality work.

To be fair I fell asleep through most of the postings. Sorry my bad

 

[bernardgreen]

Same question should apply to @bernardgreen

Yes I have made mistakes.

 

[Old Salt]

I cant be bothered to wade through 8 pages but read the first and last 2. Not a pro HSE but a retired engineer with experience as a Risk Manager. Yeah competence needs to be demonstrated not just through qualifications but appropriate experience and training. Court of law is the only place it could be proved unless the HSE were satisfied prior to any charges being brought. Personally I managed to keep a maintenance manager out of jail by demonstrating appropriate records were kept detailing the work undertaken, who by and that they were trained and competent. HSE were satisfied their were flaws in the materials used that were not visible and only found as a result of being in use and through destructive testing.

 

[boolie]

I cant be bothered to wade through 8 pages but read the first and last 2. Not a pro HSE but a retired engineer with experience as a Risk Manager. Yeah competence needs to be demonstrated not just through qualifications but appropriate experience and training. Court of law is the only place it could be proved unless the HSE were satisfied prior to any charges being brought. Personally I managed to keep a maintenance manager out of jail by demonstrating appropriate records were kept detailing the work undertaken, who by and that they were trained and competent. HSE were satisfied their were flaws in the materials used that were not visible and only found as a result of being in use and through destructive testing.

Thanks @Old Salt - I wonder if you'd know the answer to this question. Say 'Joe' gets reported to the HSE for doing DIY gas work in his own home - the HSE come out and inspect Joe's work and find his work to be perfectly competent and safe. However Joe doesn't have any certificates or qualifications. Will they take any legal action against Joe?