And what's wong with Rum or possibly a Brandy or Whisky liqueur?
Nothing at all. Other than you may get drunk before you have finished eating the trifle.
And what's wong with Rum or possibly a Brandy or Whisky liqueur?
Nothing at all. Other than you may get drunk before you have finished eating the trifle.
Quite so. As I wrote ...The important word is "recorded". How many incidents happen but are not recorded. Do people make an official record every time they shout "" Duck Me that hurt ""
... [ I have to say, however, that I don't think, in general, that the fact that "zero deaths or shocks had been recorded due to XYZ" would be a remotely safe reason for concluding that XYZ was "not something to worry about"! ]
This discussion has somewhat slid, from your initial question about "not-typed-tested" items (CU 'blanks') to blanks which may well be type-tested (produced and 'recommended' by the CU manufacturer) but which you believe 'can be removed without the use of a tool'.I am saying that my issuing of a C2 or C3 code can be questioned at the time or a later date, so if I see a fault which could be questioned as it if C3 or C2, then giving a C3 you have raised the issue, so can't be said you missed it, but it does not force anyone to correct it, so if found it was to manufacturers spec, it is unlikely one will be in trouble for saying some thing is potentially dangerous where what is considered as a higher authority has said this complies with type testing.
Quite so. Even in relation to things electrical, let alone jellies, it is pretty crazy to be worrying about such trifling (!) issues when there are far more important ones to worry about.Methinks mountains out of molehills springs to mind. It's a bank holiday weekend, stop worrying over trifles and go have some jelly.
Is that not a matter of opinion (as per the discussion here).I don't think this is a silly discussion. Blanks in CU can cause problems. Clip on ones are a C2 so the install would fail an EICR.
... but, provided it was dimensionally compatible, would you see a problem in using a DIN rail-mounted one which was of the 'wrong make' (and, if so, how would you code it?)?... It would be impossible to carry around a din rail mounted blank for every make of CU. ...
would you see a problem in using a DIN rail-mounted one which was of the 'wrong make'
Very true. Typo has now been corrected. Thanks for noticing!Much though I dislike being a pedant (if you believe that, you'll believe anything). ... I believe John meant C2 (not CU), 'cos:...
Quite so. That's certainly my view, and appears to correspond totally with common sense.No problem , No code. Its just a lump of plastic
OK. I must have taken your OP too literally. Although you (and everyone else) did, indeed, go on to discuss blanks that could be removed without use of a tool, you started this thread with ....Sorry what I was saying is if I felt the blank could be removed without a tool, then C3 rather than C2 ...
... which seemed to be majoring on the issue of "another manufacturer's blanks" - although I wonder we why, in the last sentence quoted above, you had not written "... even if you cannot remove them without a tool".This has been raised on another forum, and I don't really have an answer, we are told to retain the type tested status that a consumer unit should only be fitted with items authorised by the manufacturer which in real terms means items made by the same manufacturer. .... So if the blanks are push in type, even if you can remove them without a tool then you can't replace them with another manufacturers blanks .....
Quite so. As I wrote above ........ If I want to remove the blank I would not try very hard before looking for a tool. So in real terms I have not tried to remove a blank with cover in place without using a tool, with less than one newton force. So are push in blanks really an issue?
However, as you seem to go on to say, I think this silly discussion gets even sillier when one realises that, unless (in some cases) one has long and strong fingernails, it is probably not possible to remove many, if any, of these blanks 'without the use of a tool'.
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