Count the problems. lol
And some...Really ?
With the cover left off and bus bar exposed ? I guess the door was shut
Half a length of 4x4" steel trunking with half a dozen assorted plastic accessories fitted using couplings and brass bushes. Someone had added a bonding cable between the trunking and the earth bar in the main feed using yellow single. Some later work found it being connected to phase 2 via a 60A BS88.Really ?
With the cover left off and bus bar exposed ? I guess the door was shut
I'm no lawyer, but I'm not at all sure that an electrician has 'authority to interfere with' an electrical installation without the householder's permission (no matter how well-intentioned), particularly if the householder is actively withholding that permission and/or "telling them to leave'. It could be that bringing the problem to the attention of the householder (and documenting that such has been done) is the most that an electrician could, themselves, do without risking being the ones who were in potential legal trouble.I think the HSE can take people to court for not making some thing safe or not reporting it. .... Is an electrician allowed to draw the DNO fuse if the installation is dangerous? .... So I would say drawing DNO fuse is the correct method, or do the work shown. .... But would like to hear what others say, if called to a house with that mess, and you have not the ability to correct before leaving, what is the correct procedure?
Well, for a start, it would have to be the Supplier, not the DNO. One could contact the DNO and they could, if they so wished, come and pull there fuse (if they could get access), but they obviously could not interact with a Smart Meter (which has nothing to do with DNOs) in any way. Whether or not either Supplier or DNO would 'care about' an installation that was dangerous, provided that it was not endangering their supply or equipment is perhaps a different question.Since it seems it is a smart meter I suppose an email to the DNO saying in a dangerous condition needs disconnecting would be OK as they can disconnect remotely. Otherwise no point in Smart meters.
Since it seems it is a smart meter I suppose an email to the DNO saying in a dangerous condition needs disconnecting would be OK as they can disconnect remotely. Otherwise no point in Smart meters.
That's obviously what one would hope.Normally we or DNO would not take any action against anyone pulling a cutout fuse on a dangerous situation.
I don't think it's necessarily that simple, since we are again (as with EICR coding) in the territory of judgements about the degree of 'potential danger'.Thank you both for thoughts, I have no answers, I was always taught that in a case of danger the electrician can countermand the managing director, but we all realise in practice can't be done. .... I have turned off a supply to test and refused to re-energise, and told the occupants I can't re-energise because of the danger ....
Yes, I meant to mention that. IF you did decide that you had to remove the cutout fuse then I think you would, at the very least, have to re-seal the cutout and, despite what you say, ideally also 'confiscate' the fuse. Otherwise, one of those Courts that you so often like to talk about could say that, since you knew that they would probably replace the fuse if you left it there, you would be reckless, perhaps negligent, if you left it there.Clearly one can't walk off with the DNO fuse in ones pocket, that is theft, so you can pull the fuse, but occupier can simply replace it, so it does seem pointless.
That is absolute hogwash and he should have been locked up for that.
How the hell he could ever think that was acceptable, I don't know.
In one building I locked out a 3phase isolator supplying a 55KW chiller pump. Because it wasn't one of the onsite electrical contractors 'approved' locks, ie there wasn't a spare key available in their stash, and someone complained a pump wasn't showing as available on the BMS my lock got cut off. At the time I was replacing the pumps local isolator and got a tingle. I then had a predicament, I didn't have test kit to hand [already proved dead and colleague using kit elsewhere], I suspected I had a live wire with no safe means of making it safe so I couldn't risk walking away from it. I tried sending text messages to several people from an area several floors below ground level which also made a fallacy of the lone working monitor/2way radio. Fortunately my colleague returned fairly quickly and was able to isolate again and relock.
CCTV revealed the culpret...
I hope the culprit was dismissed on the spot.
He was escorted off the promises and it went to court, I know it was custodial but never knew the final details.
Fortunately the procedures in place were to use rubber mats and i suspect that reduced the shock to a tingle.
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