Why people are dying in the backs of ambulances

[AngleEyes]

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[AngleEyes]

Before I left Slough 15 years ago I would struggle to get into the Doctors surgery for the crowds of Poles, the influx in one single year was 12000, a ten percent increase in population. They consisted of young, old and translators. So my personal experience at that time, in that town, was that the NHS was used far more by immigrants.

Of course, you would say that.

The only hatred I see is from the likes of you. You forment it, if you truly believe our mainstream politics and media are fascists, you need help mate.

Do you read transam's, mottie's. Andy's, Vinty's, sxturbo's et al, posts, with your eyes closed? Or do you just put on your special glasses, that filter out the bigotry?

 

[SirGalahad]

My point is that the NHS is overloaded in many areas, part of which is the hangover from Covid and, in my opinion, the inefficiency of working from home. The NHS is all interlinked as i'm sure you're aware. You're absolutely right that the NHS struggles in winter in some areas, and this year is worse because of a variety of covid related reasons.

However, for the ambulance service, it's harder for patients to see their GP's to get treatment, so patients go to A&E to get care, or they end up in A&E because they got referred but didn't get an appointment to see a specialists. A&E gets clogged up people that shouldn't be there as a result, patients get stuck in ambulances because A&E is full. More people are so ill because their care has been delayed that they call an ambulance etc etc.

However, my question was how much of that do you think you're seeing.

But in the short term, how do you fix all of the above without using the capacity of the private system when the NHS is already overstretched?

The problem is one of throughput.

There are about 100k Hospital beds of which roughly 1/5 are occupied by people able to go home but do not have the social care in place - due to shortages in social care staff and budgets - the classic bed blocking.

On top you have about 8k covid patients which has led to wards being redesigned to manage the infections. Reducing capacity further.

Many specialist staff who felt they did not get the support from the Government left - there is a shortage of ICU nurses.

So we now have reduced beds and thus reduced capacity.

People in A&E who need to be admitted are finding it hard to get beds.

We have an extremely low number of beds to number of population.

If you wanted a quick fix - fix the problem in social care first to release those beds. Its what the NHS chiefs have been demanding.

 

[AngleEyes]

A family members job is to register new patients to there surgery which has well over 50, 000 patients, for a number of years now 70% of new patients are not from uk and I can assure you they certainly take advantage of our health care

So tell me what do they do?

What's the name of the surgery.

It'll be a fantasy. Bigoted people are well known for inventing stories to explain their bigotry.
If they couldn't excuse their bigotry with some concocted story, they would have to admit to themselves that they are bigoted.

 

[SirGalahad]

My point is that the NHS is overloaded in many areas, part of which is the hangover from Covid and, in my opinion, the inefficiency of working from home. The NHS is all interlinked as i'm sure you're aware. You're absolutely right that the NHS struggles in winter in some areas, and this year is worse because of a variety of covid related reasons.

However, for the ambulance service, it's harder for patients to see their GP's to get treatment, so patients go to A&E to get care, or they end up in A&E because they got referred but didn't get an appointment to see a specialists. A&E gets clogged up people that shouldn't be there as a result, patients get stuck in ambulances because A&E is full. More people are so ill because their care has been delayed that they call an ambulance etc etc.

However, my question was how much of that do you think you're seeing.

But in the short term, how do you fix all of the above without using the capacity of the private system when the NHS is already overstretched?

The problem with the NHS is in the incentives it provides. Instead of increasing capacity in the public sector the Government thought it was better to send work to private hospitals (if the private hospitals didnt get NHS work many would have gone bust - this is prior to the pandemic) So to say the solution exists in the private sector is wrong because these hospitals ostensibly only operate to do work on the NHS behalf - it is not extra capacity that was created but a substitution of private for public capacity.

Now the private hospitals are set up to perform the acute cases and diagnostics - its profitable and there is less chance of complications.

On to GPs.

Most will want to retire early as they are tired of the paperwork and demands - though Econsults have made it easier for patients to access services, it has made it easier for patients to put in very spurious requests thus clogging up the system.

There is not much a GP can do when you have had a cough for one day - perhaps its society but there is an incessant demand for instant answers and simple answers to complex problems.

The NHS is incentivised not to invest in capital but to spend on services - which is Government policy. They will not pay for a new GP surgery but will pay rent at ridiculous rates for someone to build it and lease it out.

If I recall correctly the recent reforms was that the NHS trusts could only fund capital investments by selling parts of their estate - tell me why are there hands tied behind their back?

Education and healthcare should be publicly funded and operated - its proven to be the most efficient way to operate these types of services.

That's coming from someone who has worked all their life in the private sector.

 

[SirGalahad]

Before I left Slough 15 years ago I would struggle to get into the Doctors surgery for the crowds of Poles, the influx in one single year was 12000, a ten percent increase in population. They consisted of young, old and translators. So my personal experience at that time, in that town, was that the NHS was used far more by immigrants.




You could say that about any industry in the UK, it has always been thus, from the Irish navvies to the West Indian bus conductors and factory workers to the Eastern European veg pickers, it always been the case and always will be. The origin countries will evolve with time but nothing will change.



Absolutely.



The only hatred I see is from the likes of you. You forment it, if you truly believe our mainstream politics and media are fascists, you need help mate.

So 12k people registered in one GP surgery in one year.

You have left that area now - whats the name of the Surgery?

 

[SirGalahad]

on the news last night exactly what is happening many hospitals at breaking point and not covid patients

Are you vaccinated?

Also what did those people do? Provide some details at least.

 

[SirGalahad]

It's funny how those who say the NHS is not fit for purpose as its struggling with a backlog and that must because its publicly run have a certain blind eye when all around them private companies are struggling with backlogs of containers, supplies, energy prices.

They are so well trained by their puppet masters.

 

[gas112]

It'll be a fantasy. Bigoted people are well known for inventing stories to explain their bigotry.
If they couldn't excuse their bigotry with some concocted story, they would have to admit to themselves that they are bigoted.

what is bigoted about giving facts , get a grip . Any stupid attempted race comment to not face facts that any one who works in a gp surgery sees on a daily basis with various translators in

 

[gas112]

Are you vaccinated?

Also what did those people do? Provide some details at least.

provide details ! watch bbci player or itv catch up and watch yesterdays news

 

[Mottie]

So 12k people registered in one GP surgery in one year.

I read it that the population of Slough increased by 12k in one year. There's no way 230 new patients will be joining a surgery every week for a year!

 

[transam]

You're probably right, it's such a rare and peculiar condition, there wouldn't be many requiring the treatment. I do thing the peculiarity of the condition rather suits you.
And as you say, the NHS doesn't treat animals for free. Have you tried the RSPCA?

RSPCA don’t get involved

I take it that you have never had free treatment on the NHS than
Had to go private have you

 

[fillyboy]

So 12k people registered in one GP surgery in one year.

You have left that area now - whats the name of the Surgery?

Who said they all signed on at one GP surgery?, Slough's a big town, even bigger now.

BBC NEWS | Programmes | Panorama | Immigration: How we lost count

 

[gas112]

Who said they all signed on at one GP surgery?, Slough's a big town, even bigger now.

BBC NEWS | Programmes | Panorama | Immigration: How we lost count

they read and make up in their minds what they want , no wonder they struggle

 

[transam]

Is that broadmoor place funded by NHS ???