New Covid Variant - B.1.1.529

[pcaouolte]

In England just over 9 million people have tested positive for it but the total population of England is over 56 million so only around 16% of people in England have tested positive for it so far.

My mum asked a similar question the other week about smoking. She's been smoking for over 70 years and still hasn't succumbed to lung cancer. Using your logic, it must be a load of ballcocks. What is your view on smoking and lung cancer and why hasn't my mum had it?

Hi Mottie, if you read my post I didn't ask any question or apply any logic. I simply quoted some statistics which are available here: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/. In an attempt to answer Andy11's question about how he could be "at large" for 2 years without being troubled by Covid-19.

I don't see how the statistics that I quoted relate to lung cancer but, since you ask for my view, it appears that your mum has had good fortune. I wouldn't expect everyone who smokes to succumb to lung cancer, just as I wouldn't expect everyone who walks around to catch Covid-19.

 

[IT Minion]

I wouldn't expect everyone who smokes to succumb to lung cancer, just as I wouldn't expect everyone who walks around to catch Covid-19.

I wouldn't expect everyone to have caught it already, but unless something big changes everyone will catch it at least once. The general consensus is that it's going to become endemic, so everyone will catch it.

 

[jeds]

Lot's of people (certainly thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands??) will have had it either without knowing or vaguely knowing. I barely know somebody that doesn't reckon they 'probably had it last year'. It's not so much how many though, it's really about many were serious, and ultimately how many died. I am personally sceptical of the UK figures overall but I was watching a documentary recently where a youngish bloke (20s) in the US had lost 7 members of his immediate family - Parents and 5 brothers and sisters. Even as I wrote it, it still sounds unbelievable, but I don't think he made it up to support a Worldwide government conspiracy to invent a 'virus' to control the people.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

I wouldn't expect everyone to have caught it already, but unless something big changes everyone will catch it at least once. The general consensus is that it's going to become endemic, so everyone will catch it.

..and the whole point of the vaccine, is to minimise the effect on individuals, keep them out of ICU and avoid long term, sometimes life changing effects resulting from having caught it. Sounds like a win, win situation to me.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

Hi Mottie, if you read my post I didn't ask any question or apply any logic. I simply quoted some statistics which are available here: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/. In an attempt to answer Andy11's question about how he could be "at large" for 2 years without being troubled by Covid-19.

I don't see how the statistics that I quoted relate to lung cancer but, since you ask for my view, it appears that your mum has had good fortune. I wouldn't expect everyone who smokes to succumb to lung cancer, just as I wouldn't expect everyone who walks around to catch Covid-19.

I believe that not everybody is vulnerable to every disease, and that no single disease can kill all of the population. Proof of this is that in the times before vaccines, the killer plagues didn't kill everybody. The black death is said to have seen off a third of Britain's people. How did the remaing two-thirds survive without a vaccine?

Whilst I know many who claim to have had covid, the overwhelming majority of people I meet are like myself and have not had it. Seems it only affects certain types.

Having said that, covid is not a major killer - the fact that the overall death figures are not significantly higher bears this out.

 

[pcaouolte]

I believe that not everybody is vulnerable to every disease, and that no single disease can kill all of the population. Proof of this is that in the times before vaccines, the killer plagues didn't kill everybody. The black death is said to have seen off a third of Britain's people. How did the remaing two-thirds survive without a vaccine?

Whilst I know many who claim to have had covid, the overwhelming majority of people I meet are like myself and have not had it. Seems it only affects certain types.

Having said that, covid is not a major killer - the fact that the overall death figures are not significantly higher bears this out.

Social Distancing and Quarantine were used in Medieval times to fight the Black Death.

I agree that the overwhelming majority of people have not had Covid, only about 16% of the population of England has tested positive for Covid so far.

I suppose it depends how you define "major killer", 127,000 deaths of people in England, who had recently tested positive, is major enough to me.

 

[denso13]

the fact that the overall death figures are not significantly higher bears this out.

Nonsense, https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJr...hMzUtNGIyZS1hZDQ3LTVmM2NmOWRlODY2NiIsImMiOjh9, click on the all persons tab.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

I suppose it depends how you define "major killer", 127,000 deaths of people in England, who had recently tested positive, is major enough to me.

The overall death figures are not significantly higher, which means that some or all of those 127,000 are "ordinary " deaths misattributed.

 

[pcaouolte]

The overall death figures are not significantly higher, which means that some or all of those 127,000 are "ordinary " deaths misattributed.

Some will be deaths that would have happened anyway, but also some people who died due to Covid won't be included in the statistics as they spend more than 28 days in hospital after their positive test.

It seems unlikely, to the point of being impossible, that all of those 127,000 are "ordinary " deaths misattributed.

 

[denso13]

The overall death figures are not significantly higher,

110,000 higher than expected since March 2020 isn't significant?

 

[Deleted member 18243]

click on the all persons tab.

No. I've been through all this before and will not be doing it again, I not going to repeat myself for all eternity like John D.

IT Minion demonstrated, a few weeks ago, that deaths as a percentage of the population are not significantly higher now, and that there have been many higher years in recent times, and that in those higher years pandemics were not declared.

 

[Mottie]

Some will be deaths that would have happened anyway, but also some people who died due to Covid won't be included in the statistics as they spend more than 28 days in hospital after their positive test.

I think they are regularly tested when in hospital. I know my mum was.

 

[denso13]

No.

Ok, here it is, showing 110,000 excess death rates, https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJr...hMzUtNGIyZS1hZDQ3LTVmM2NmOWRlODY2NiIsImMiOjh9

 

[denso13]

that deaths as a percentage of the population are not significantly higher now

As a percentage perhaps, about 0.2% up, but that is still 110,000 actual people.

 

[IT Minion]

No. I've been through all this before and will not be doing it again, I not going to repeat myself for all eternity like John D.

IT Minion demonstrated, a few weeks ago, that deaths as a percentage of the population are not significantly higher now, and that there have been many higher years in recent times, and that in those higher years pandemics were not declared.

No I didn't. Unless you count 20 years ago recent, Which I don't.