New Covid Variant - B.1.1.529

[ajohn]

As a percentage perhaps, about 0.2% up, but that is still 110,000 actual people.

There is a fact people find hard to grasp some anyway. Not all that many people have actually caught covid compared with the entire population. For instance there have been 7.9million PCR/LFD detected infections - first time infections. That last week and over the entire covid period. Still a long way short of the population.

As mentioned there is a probability that every one will catch it eventually.

I'm not even going to get into excess deaths. People who can't see easily that covid has boosted that are either thick, trolls or are in need of help. It's a bit like the argument about the time definitions. Rather stupid as the longer ones will have died in hospital or under medical supervision. Crazy newspaper reporting eg some person with COPD died having caught covid. Some insist it was down to COPD. True but having that and a number of other things is really bad news for people who catch covid. It will kill them. The COPD may not cause that for a very very long time. Just like being prediabetic and many other problems such a weak heart or poor circulation, kidney and liver problems and ect.

 

[ajohn]

As a percentage perhaps, about 0.2% up, but that is still 110,000 actual people.

There is a fact people find hard to grasp some anyway. Not all that many people have actually caught covid compared with the entire population. For instance there have been 7.9million PCR/LFD detected infections - first time infections. That last week and over the entire covid period. Still a long way short of the population.

As mentioned there is a probability that every one will catch it eventually.

I'm not even going to get into excess deaths. People who can't see easily that covid has boosted that are either thick, trolls or are in need of help. It's a bit like the argument about the time definitions. Rather stupid as the longer ones will have died in hospital or under medical supervision. Crazy newspaper reporting eg some person with COPD died having caught covid. Some insist it was down to COPD. True but having that and a number of other things is really bad news for people who catch covid. It will kill them. The COPD may not cause that for a very very long time. Just like being prediabetic and many other problems such a weak heart or poor circulation, kidney and liver problems and etc.

 

[ajohn]

Excess deaths are currently running at around 3SD from normality, why ~1,000 or so covid deaths a week.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

Caitlin Gotze.

Caitlin Gotze was a healthy 23 year old forced to have the vaccine by the Australian government. She became ill after the first dose of the vaccine and died after the second dose. The Australian government and the vaccine makers then distanced themselves from the matter.

Fundraiser for Raelene Gotze by Melissa Jones : Justice 4 Caitlin (gofundme.com)

 

[denso13]

She became ill after the first dose of the vaccine and died after the second dose.

A tragedy, whatever caused it.

 

[Justin Passing]

There is a fact people find hard to grasp some anyway. Not all that many people have actually caught covid compared with the entire population. For instance there have been 7.9million PCR/LFD detected infections - first time infections. That last week and over the entire covid period. Still a long way short of the population.

As mentioned there is a probability that every one will catch it eventually.

I'm not even going to get into excess deaths. People who can't see easily that covid has boosted that are either thick, trolls or are in need of help. It's a bit like the argument about the time definitions. Rather stupid as the longer ones will have died in hospital or under medical supervision. Crazy newspaper reporting eg some person with COPD died having caught covid. Some insist it was down to COPD. True but having that and a number of other things is really bad news for people who catch covid. It will kill them. The COPD may not cause that for a very very long time. Just like being prediabetic and many other problems such a weak heart or poor circulation, kidney and liver problems and etc.

If several million have tested positive at one point in time, given that many cases are asymptomatic and others wouldn't register on an LFT, and they'd have it for say 10 days, and the population is 65 or so million, and the disease has been around for months, I don't agree that "not all that many have caught covid". Unless the same people keep getting it I'd say most have had it, and most of the rest have been exposed to it.
My OH tested +ve for 2 weeks. I had much the same symptoms, but never tested +ve on the LFT. As you know LFT misses a lot.

Excess deaths was boosted by earlier variants but not much by the Omicrons, it's in the noise.

 

[ajohn]

It seems we are at near 100% positive antibody testing level but it's not split into natural and vaccinated. The info they have shows ~25% natural average across the country. The report starts on page 46 of this. It's age related and needs blood to tell the difference.
https://assets.publishing.service.g...65279/vaccine-surveillance-report-week-13.pdf

The testing figures are not that clear really unless the surveillance reports are looked at as those show the % positive for both types of test. One is more reliable than the other but both may give negative results when they shouldn't, one worse than the other.

Deaths. Haven't looked for a while but loosely speaking 45-55 year old have made up people needing ventilation which suggests that older who get to a stage where that would be required don't make it. I'd assume that is mechanical ventilation.

Sone will love the % positive aspect but like many covid things 100% accuracy just isn't possible. Testing shows the level of covid activity so if the same thing is used all of the time that's ok. The %'s are just another factor that can be right or wrong and another indication.

I noticed a new one on the TV. People in hospital with covid. Roughly 1/2 being treated for it and 1/2 with it and being treated for something else. Both have to be isolated which is causing them problems. People getting infected a 2nd time looks more certain. No info about what that means in practice - none I have seen anyway.

 

[noseall]

forced to have the vaccine

Nonsense. As with most of your posts.

 

[gas112]

92% of deaths are vaccinated from latest covid surveillance report

 

[denso13]

92% of deaths are vaccinated from latest covid surveillance report

So what?

"In the context of very high vaccine coverage in the population, even with a highly effective vaccine, it is expected that a large proportion of cases, hospitalisations and deaths would occur in vaccinated individuals, simply because a larger proportion of the population are vaccinated than unvaccinated and no vaccine is 100% effective. This is especially true because vaccination has been prioritised in individuals who are more susceptible or more at risk of severe disease. Individuals in risk groups may also be more at risk of hospitalisation or death due to non-COVID-19 causes, and thus may be hospitalised or die with COVID-19 rather than because of COVID-19"

 

[gas112]

So what?

"In the context of very high vaccine coverage in the population, even with a highly effective vaccine, it is expected that a large proportion of cases, hospitalisations and deaths would occur in vaccinated individuals, simply because a larger proportion of the population are vaccinated than unvaccinated and no vaccine is 100% effective. This is especially true because vaccination has been prioritised in individuals who are more susceptible or more at risk of severe disease. Individuals in risk groups may also be more at risk of hospitalisation or death due to non-COVID-19 causes, and thus may be hospitalised or die with COVID-19 rather than because of COVID-19"

What it proves percentage wise vaccinated against unvaxxed you are more likely to die if your vaxxed . Dont forget and say by before your taken

 

[denso13]

What it proves percentage wise vaccinated against unvaxxed you are more likely to die if your vaxxed

But you refuse to accept the reasons why.

 

[gas112]

But you refuse to accept the reasons why.

No its a case of you constantly moving the goalposts with your reasoning over the past year . You say oh people would have died anyway because they are old or have underlying conditions but use the same people dying in your totals of project fear of look at all these people dying with covid trying to convince people to be vaccinated what are you saying the vaccine made no difference at all ?

 

[denso13]

No its a case of you constantly moving the goalposts with your reasoning over the past year

No, it's your double standards coming to the fore again. You quoted government figures from the latest vaccine surveillance report. If you believe the figures why don't you believe the explanations? It's all in the document you are relying on.

 

[gas112]

No, it's your double standards coming to the fore again. You quoted government figures from the latest vaccine surveillance report. If you believe the figures why don't you believe the explanations? It's all in the document you are relying on.

in theory figures dont lie , oh hang on a minute we are talking about covid