History of the corner shop (immigration)

[Nige F]

As an aside, when I went to school in the 70's and 80's I had loads of mates, who like me were children of people from the commonwealth invited to the UK post war to work on the the tubes and buses.

I had black mates whose parents came from different islands in the Windies and met whilst working for London Transport. My Irish mum was a clippy on the buses when she met my (Route Master driver) father (whom had been born part of the Punjab which became Pakistan).

Interesting, my late Father in Law was from a Scottish dad and an Italian ( immigrant) mother. My ancestors probably came over from Holland so my boys are a bit of a mix

 

[opps]

So you don't think he should put Americans first.?

I think that trade deals should be fair and equitable. Why do you think that one side (in this case the other side) should have a clear advantage? America First, Britain Second? I don't recall that being a clarion call when we left the EU.

 

[Deleted member 174758]

How traumatic for you.

Did the BBC not have a helpline for people distressed by seeing a small brown child?

I was brought up in a sleepy country district in Scotland in the fifties and sixties, so no black/coloured kids there. We moved to South Wales in rural Monmouthshire, again all white. In fact the first time I encountered anyone non-white was when we moved to the Midlands in the mid-1960s, when I came across both Pakastani kids and Afro-Carribean kids. In my year at school we had one Pakastani kid, everyone else was white, In the year below there were three or four white kids with the majoritry of kids being of Indian/Pakastani or Afro-Carribean origin. I don't think my parents were racist - at least I can't recall them saying anything overtly racist in my presence, but I do know that wasn't so common in the sixties

I really don't get it. I mean the adoration of Trump by Brits.

He is a fascist and a narcissist, and we all know that some Brits love that (remember Hitler, and Moseley?). I surprised there aren't more people out there praising Putin

 

[opps]

Interesting, my late Father in Law was from a Scottish dad and an Italian ( immigrant) mother. My ancestors probably came over from Holland so my boys are a bit of a mix

I am not aware of anyone ever having documented the role that London Transport played in helping to make London more diverse.

I was in the same year as Steve McQueen at school, the Turner Prize winner and oscar winning director. I am not a close friend but I might ask mutual friends to ask him to consider doing so.

 

[Deleted member 174758]

I think that trade deals should be fair and equitable. Why do you think that one side (in this case the other side) should have a clear advantage? America First, Britain Second? I don't recall that being a clarion call when we left the EU.

It is now. Witness the way our future PM rolled over to both the Ozzies and the Kiwis in the trade negotiations - both smaller economies - and by doing so has ensured that the future of British farming is completely and utterly screwed. The Kiwis even came back and demanded more concessions, which Truss gave in to without a fight. They couldn't bellieve it

 

[opps]

I was brought up in a sleepy country district in Scotland in the fifties and sixties, so no black/coloured kids there. We moved to South Wales in rural Monmouthshire, again all white. In fact the first time I encountered anyone non-white was when we moved to the Midlands in the mid-1960s, when I came across both Pakastani kids and Afro-Carribean kids. In my year at school we had one Pakastani kid, everyone else was white, In the year below there were three or four white kids with the majoritry of kids being of Indian/Pakastani or Afro-Carribean origin. I don't think my parents were racist - at least I can't recall them saying anything overtly racist in my presence - and

He is a fascist and a narcissist, and we all know that some Brits love that (remember Hitler, and Moseley?). I surprised there aren't more people out there praising Putin

I went to Uni in north/east London. A guy that happened to become a very good friend came from the "sticks" he had never seen a black person before and admitted that the first time that he travelled through Tottenham he felt slightly intimidated. After a couple of weeks he realised that skin colour is irrelevant. Being a good or bad person is not a function of skin pigmentation.

 

[Deleted member 174758]

I went to Uni in north/east London. A guy that happened to become a very good friend came from the "sticks" he had never seen a black person before and admitted that the first time that he travelled through Tottenham he felt slightly intimidated. After a couple of weeks he realised that skin colour is irrelevant. Being a good or bad person is not a function of skin pigmentation.

I had the same sort of epiphany. These days two of the few I call friends are both Carribean, but amongst my other friends are a Norwegian and a couple of Dutch. Not virtue signalling, just stating fact. Race and nationality shouldn't come into it

 

[ReganAndCarter]

What do you think your racists rants will achieve?

You're fired up. They're achieving their goal.

 

[opps]

I had the same sort of epiphany. These days two of the few I call friends are both Carribean, but amongst my other friends are a Norwegian and a couple of Dutch. Not virtue signalling, just stating fact. Race and nationality shouldn't come into it

Agreed.

I bunked off work early and am sitting in an Irish bar in Ealing, west London. Some the older Irish guys here remember the "no blacks, no Irish, no dogs" signs.

I really cannot understand racism. Of every group of peoples that I have come across, I have met both good and bad people, and in the case of people like Eric Clapton, just because you take umbrage with one black fellow, how on earth can you conclude that all non "white" people are bad.

The only silver lining is that as each year passes, the number of bigots decreases, as they pop their clogs.

 

[Pat ex]

Ah, Cultural Appropriation.
I wondered how long it would take you to find that little gem - Should Sting apologise for the Police's back catalogue? Should Led Zeppelin make restitution to Muddy Waters?
B. off with you.

You are following the discussion, I assume?
Andy11 claimed that Eric Clapton couldn't be racist because
"Clapton can hardly be called a hater of black people. His music is influenced by American black artists, who were often cheated out of the recognition and the money they were due."
I pointed out that cultural appropriation does not make someone immune to racism. It could be quite the reverse and show a lack of respect for the origin of that culture.

I'm not aware of any potential racist issues between Sting, the Police (the pop group), Led Zeppelin and Muddy Waters.
If you know any different, I'm happy to be educated.

 

[Ihavenojob]

But we are all the result of immigrants sneaking in.

They've given up sneaking in, they're accompanied in now,

Lots of Spanish looking Taff's as well.

The Patagonia region in South America has the largest Welsh Speaking community outside of Wales. There may be some connection. Going back to the OP, there was one of those "Back in time for.................." programmes on recently with an Asian family running a shop, I think they were Indian. The mother was very fit for an older woman.

 

[Pat ex]

Did you have your John Thomas out when you put that together or do you have it out on a permanent basis? It would appear so.

I see you've given up scrabbling for a comment that might resemble something reasonable to say.

 

[Pat ex]

You're fired up. They're achieving their goal.

I assume by your response, your racist rants are intended to be trolling comments aimed specifically at me, and nothing more.
Is that correct?

What general reaction do you think your racist rants might cause?

 

[Deleted member 174758]

I bunked off work early and am sitting in an Irish bar in Ealing, west London. Some the older Irish guys here remember the "no blacks, no Irish, no dogs" signs.

I have had experience of that in a different setting. In the 70s I worked in Ireland, in Dublin and out west, often only a few days at a time, so really more of a tourist. In the 80s and 90s, though I had several stints (of 9 to 12 months at a time) living and working in Dublin, mainly on the poorer North Side (think Mrs. Brown's Boys and you sort of have it). There was an undercurrent of anti-British feeling and there were some pubs which work colleagues strongly advised me to avoid, on account of my accent. In general I found I got on with most people I worked with over there, though there were a few who didn't like me because I was a "bloody Brit". At that time there were very, very few non-Irish people in Ireland

Fast forward to 2001, when I again spent an extended period living over there (about 10 months). This time there wasn't the constant staring if you walked into a shop or a pub and spoke with a British accent. There were, however, refugees. Many of them Bosnian muslims, but there were also a substantial number of Nigerians who all seemed to be employed as "doormen" on shops. British accents were very common in areas like Temple Bar at the weekends (thanks to Ryanair's cheap flights). Brits were (mainly) no longer the issue - it was the "bloody muslims coming here and complaining about adverts on the bus shelters" (the ones with bikini-clad women advertising everything from sun-soaked holidays to alcoholic drinks).

Throughout all of this I found the best defence was to study a bit of modern Irish history, so that when attacked (verbally), for being English, I had a modicum of facts at my disposal to dispute at least some of the claims and half truths. And the Irish love a good argument, so that generally smoothed the waters. Funny old world.

The only silver lining is that as each year passes, the number of bigots decreases, as they pop their clogs.

Amen to that

 

[Odds]

I thought you didn't watch BBC. You claim to be sufficiently well informed to quote an issue with which you took exception.



It's called cultural appropriation. And it can be caused by a lack of respect for the origin of that culture.
So it can be totally appropriate to call Eric Clapton a racist.

You are following the discussion, I assume?
Andy11 claimed that Eric Clapton couldn't be racist because
"Clapton can hardly be called a hater of black people. His music is influenced by American black artists, who were often cheated out of the recognition and the money they were due."
I pointed out that cultural appropriation does not make someone immune to racism. It could be quite the reverse and show a lack of respect for the origin of that culture.

I'm not aware of any potential racist issues between Sting, the Police (the pop group), Led Zeppelin and Muddy Waters.
If you know any different, I'm happy to be educated.

I'm following it perfectly well. Are you?